Live, Learn, NEVER use ICE!!!
 

I have a rant... I purchased ICE for the first time today. I have a 2 week old Black Cherry that has never been waxed. I bought the liquid ICE kit, read all the instructions and proceeded to wash my car. I used a distilled water rinse from my Mr. Clean Spot-Free kit and waited for the Z to dry. I then used their foam applicator and gave the car it's first "wax". I waited 10 minutes and then tried to buff the car...

Here's where I start to get angry...

The new microfiber just smeared the crap all over so I thought I would let it dry again. I returned in another 10 minutes and used another new, dry MF to rebuff. Long story short, after all the buffing and 3 towels later, the wax has smears that look like crap! Not only that, but the wax oozed in microfiber dust and sealed it. It also pits like a mofo and I spent another 40minutes using Meguiar's quick detailer to polish the Z up! I'm thoroughly unimpressed and would dissuade all other from use! I would have rather hand rubbed carnuba! At least it smells good!

You should try optimum spray wax. You can only buy it online.

I just bought the Adams polish kit and this stuff works as promised. The detail spray alone is worth buying. I've probably tried every wax and polish from auto zone and Adams products is the best I've tried so far. This stuff is kind of expensive, but trust me when I say it's worth every penny.

I'll try anything other than ICE! Man, why would you pay $16 for stuff that streaks? I'll check out some higher end stuff I guess. I thought ICE was suppose to be good?

Ice is really turtle wax. Just a synthetic version. The ice clay bar works ok tho.

Type in 370z to get a discount at Adams. Be sure to get their microfiber towel. You won't want to use anything else after trying it.

Wow, everyone pimps Adam's stuff. Not saying it is bad, but there are other products out there that are good. I use Meguiar's Mirror Glaze polishes and sealants along with High Tech Wax 2.0 and a bunch of other products. One great place I have purchased from online is Auto Detailing Solutions -- Meguiar's Car Wax, Auto Polish & Detailing Supplies Store. Always give me great service and very quick shipping. I'm sure the Adams stuff is good, just throwing out other options.

Most of the Mirror Glaze stuff from Meguiar's is not available in stores so you'd have to buy it online.

:iagree: I was just sharing my experience with their products. I'm sure the Meguiar's products work well also. Same basic principal from both companies. I was just really impressed with the results, and that's not easy to do.

I like NXT 2.0. I wax with that, let it sit a day, then do a very thin top layer of Meg's #26

was this the stuff you used?

http://www.turtlewax.com/img/products/pop_2_1_1_1_1.jpg

Because I've used it a handful of times on my Z.. never had that problem...

edit...

or was it this:

http://www.turtlewax.com/img/product...2_1_1_10_1.jpg

That blue bottle I've never tried.

The second one needs to be wiped off when wet and then quickly followed by a light touch shine (microfiber). If the stuff dries it gets kind of messy. I use it over the top of Carnuba based waxes and it works really well as a second layer.

GriotsGarage for the win

While we are on the subject of disappointment in car cleaning products. I purchased my Z about a month ago and have been slowly purchasing cleaning products so I can give the Z the best possible wash/wax. I've read all over this site and Adam's site about how great Adam's detail spray is. I was hestint at first but I finally purchased Adam's detail spray and tried it on my other car. I didn't want to try the detail spray on the Z iin case something went wrong. I used the spray all over, including the windows, and now whenever it rains, the windshield has a streaky film over it. Anyone ever have this problem?

One more thing, is there THAT much of a different between Adam's detail spray ($12.95 + shipping) versus a detail spray you can buy at Autozone/Target/etc for (4.95)? Maybe I just expected too much of Adams when I read all of the glowing reviews.

Sorry for my little rant but the original post got me fired up as well.

i use the chemical guys products. just my 2cents.

[QUOTE=Brannisa;658877]While we are on the subject of disappointment in car cleaning products. I purchased my Z about a month ago and have been slowly purchasing cleaning products so I can give the Z the best possible wash/wax. I've read all over this site and Adam's site about how great Adam's detail spray is. I was hestint at first but I finally purchased Adam's detail spray and tried it on my other car. I didn't want to try the detail spray on the Z iin case something went wrong. I used the spray all over, including the windows, and now whenever it rains, the windshield has a streaky film over it. Anyone ever have this problem?

One more thing, is there THAT much of a different between Adam's detail spray ($12.95 + shipping) versus a detail spray you can buy at Autozone/Target/etc for (4.95)? Maybe I just expected too much of Adams when I read all of the glowing reviews.
TO USE FOR A QUICK SHINE IF THE CAR HAS BEEN RECENTLY DETAILED AND YOU ONLY HAVE DUST ON IT-use California duster then Adam's Waterless Wash and their waffle weave towel. that does not streak. the detail spray is usually more of a lubricant for clay bar use or to spritz on your buffer before polishing. Was your other car very clean before using the detail spray? If not-may have smeared contaminants around-hopefully no scratching occurred. :ugh2:Adam's stand s behind their stuff and if you have any trouble with a product they will refund your money. I use a lot of their stuff on my Z and have not had a problem. I have a 5 gallon jug of their detail spray for polishing and claying.

I don't use it on glass, but Adam's detail spray doesn't streak as much as other stuff I've tried. Just gotta make sure the towel your using is clean, especially on glass. When you clean the panels, then clean the glass, you could be picking up dirt/grime in the towel. Use glass cleaner & a dedicated towels for the glass.

I would guess that the Adam's Detail spray is on par with Meguiar's Ultimate Quick Detail spray which is $9.99 at most places I've seen. So for quality products, they are all more than $5.

Try Optimum quick detailer. Optimum has great products and quality. Along with a good Microfiber towel (not usually bought at autozone etc...) Then try Optimum spray wax, as it very easy to use and great protection/shine. It doesn't stain trim and is easily wiped off.

hello, i have been threw the same delima as you, i tried searching and found many different opinions, i tried the Meg NXT stuff on my red 370z and it was good, but i wanted something with a lot more gloss and a protectant shield so i went onto the Zaino site and purchased the "show car kit" that runs for about $80. I was very impressed with it and will continue to use it, you should try it, real easy to put on and take off. It gives it that deep red look that i like, however it did not remove or hide all the dealer scratches that were put on with the prewash before delivery. I am impressed with it though, and feel confident that this Zaino stuff will protect the cars finish.

I used Meguiar's NXT with great results on my G35. In between selling that car and buying my Z, I tried out TW Ice on my wife's Murano and loved it. It almost makes it TOO easy to wax a car - it's almost like spreading Crisco on your car. Wait 30min, then come back and wipe (literally "wipe", no need to "buff") it off. Never streaked, so I'm not sure what OP did to cause streaking.

The water beads up nicely so there's a protective layer that remains on the car - my #1 criteria for wax. The shine (#2), I admit, doesn't seem as deep as Meguiar's, and the smoothness of Ice is about 90% what I got with NXT. But the time and effort savings won me over. Call me lazy...

I've had poor experiences with Turtle Waxes ICE line as well. I purchased the ICE polish paste, which never yielded good results, and the ICE clay kit which yielded extremely poor results because the clay is far too hard for the paint. With even a gentle motion and plenty of lubricant (the ICE detailer or Meguiar's Quik Detailer), it would leave engraved back and forth motion scratches. I've had much better results with Meguiar's Gold Class products, and even the Mother clay kit is much, much softer for an OTC clay kit. The ICE liquid clay is decent, for what it is. But it can only be applied after a wash (while car still wet). The only other thing that hasn't been terrible is the ICE tire shine, which gives a decent shine (not greasy in my opinion).

I've got some tech wax lying around. I'll go to that. I'm guessing my problem with ICE was I didn't let it sit long enough? My neighbor uses it on his corvette and he claims he doesn't even wipe it down.

Try Meg's NXT 2.0 as wel. good stuff and that is something you can actually pick up at Autozone etc... seen good results from that stuff and cheap.

There are actually Mirror Glaze stores also. At least there's one in Louisville.

I use NXT 2.0 for the regular wax, turtle wax ice detail spray inbetween. i only use it because it doesnt streak like normal detail sprays

Carnuba is a no-no for clearbras bruce!

I'm buying the NXT 2.0. Since they are both synthetics, do I need to strip or can I just wax over?

I don't use the Carnuba products on the clear bra areas but I use the synthetic stuff there. Thanks for the heads up! You probably noticed less shine coming from the nose of my car compared to the doors? :happydance:

i might've :wtf2:

They are a supporting vendor here. Nothing like supporting the guys who help keep the lights on, especially when they have a quality product that works as advertised with a 110% satisfaction guarantee. :tup:

No so. Adam's keeps a bottle of The Meguiar's quick detailer at the shows and allows people try them both, side by side. The Meguiar's quick detailer is one of the many reasons that the Adam's detail spray sells so well.

Quality product, quality results. There truly is a difference from the OTC stuff and the professional grade stuff. :tup:

Yes there is! That's where I get a lot of stuff like sandpaper, sanding blocks, detail brushes, pads and back plates for my rotary, etc...

yah, mequiar's QD:ugh2: is like water compared to quality QD's. i use it for claying though... it's pretty effective for that.

i use mostly Griot's and Prima in my detailing cart. :) i might have to try some of Adam's stuff later on...but still have gallons of each to consume first.
:p

Turtle wax anything is garbage. Meguiars professional line products are great, but most of the over the counter stuff is not so good. NXT is a good wax, but it still has some cleaning properties, which I don't particularly like.

As far as wax goes, one of the easiest to take off ones I have been using on customers cars is Pinnacle Liquid Souvern ( Pinnacle Souveran Paste Carnauba Wax is Brilliant on Red- Awesome on Black! Souvern is hand poured, one container at a time, and boxed with an ). Goes on easy, comes off easy. On my own car I have been using Wolfgang Fuzion ( Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Car Wax contains real carnauba wax and paint sealant polymers to protect paint. ultimate show car wax, auto wax, paste wax, ). However, as everyone should know, wax is there pretty much to protect your paint. A proper polish is needed to achieve depth and gloss.

$175 for wax is a little much don't you think. To each his own I suppose.

Very much so. I never said I pay full price for it.

From a detailers perspective, it would be a good investment when detailing higher end cars. When you detail $60k+ cars the owners somehow sleep better knowing you used a "high quality" wax on their car. I have a ridiculous collection of different waxes in my arsenal and can honestly say that those 2 are by far my favorite to use in terms of longevity and quality.

Although, if you know the right places to look, you can find basically the same products (in general) for cheaper. There's a lot of work on the inside of dealing automotive car products people just don't know. For waxs and polishes, I will just let some of you in on a little secret; about 60-80% of the products you see on online stores are just reformulated (ie.- different colors, scent, etc) and rebottled products all purchased from the same supplier. Some places will charge more, some less. I've seen many people compare brand X (cheaper) to brand Y (more expensive) and will trick themselves into thinking one is better than the other because it was more money.

When it comes to products, find something you like and stick with it.

also goes for armorall anything is garbage. :D

I'm leaning in your direction too, especially if I don't see an obvious difference in appearance after applying. As far as high end customers, I don't consider the 60K guys high end, more like to 200K and up guys to be high end.

:iagree: