Most probable spring w no need for cam kit
 

Desperatly want a drop. But want a DD drop (no track) and I want to take it to get aligned after and never bother with the springs again. Don't want to spend hundreds more on camber kits to still have the numbers slightly off. I am a student with a few hundred bucks plus install with a hope of getting a drop and a 75$ alignment and going about my business.

Is this probable/ likely and chime in if you have found a simple solution that works for DD on factory everything else

If no, kindly educate me if I may be making a mistake. I do t wanna be flamed hopefully there is some people to help

BTW I know this is not an area to cheap out or experiment with but figured I'd poll the community to see how I can achieve my goal

Eibach springs should be fine for a mild drop. Swift springs have really good reviews and that drop is a little more lower, not sure about if they need camber kits.

i went with Tein springs and H&R spacers. $420 total in parts and did the work myslef. with the nismo wheels and tires i can get 18k miles on my tires daily driven. i dont have a camber kit..... yet

I'd say Tein or Eibach, the Swift are the lowest I know of but those sometimes require a camber kit, so something with less drop will decrease those chances

The problem is, the more you drop, the more camber it will induce. The fronts have no camber adjustments at all so you're stuck with whatever you get there and the rears can be adjusted a little. That might not be enough to get you to stock specs though if you go really low.

I suggest you figure out how low you want to go and whether you can live with some camber. If you just want piece of mind, get a camber kit regardless.

I agree.

I'm gonna go ahead and toss out that I put 6k on my tires so far with the swifts and no camber kit, and my wear has been literally perfect.

I just put on Tein springs and after the alignment was all in spec. no camber kit for me.

Can you notice the drop from quick glance or plain view or is it very subtle. Part of my thinking was any spring not needing a camber kit bc of mild drop was also one without a noticeable drop where someone driving on the highway could see the drop

here's what my drop looks like on swifts.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...1/DSC_0128.jpg

The swift drop is definitely noticeable

Tein or Eibach. You need a rear camber (and sometimes toe) kit to get back into OEM spec with Swifts. H&R are even lower and require a kit.

yep and if the springs are progressive rate who knows much it will drop after you get gas or even have a passenger onboard.
just get the camber kit for the rear.

IMHO, I don't see the point if owning a expensive sports car (especially the Z) when you worried about how to pay for the stuff to do it right. :shakes head:

Cars are expensive stuff, if you're worried about how much it cost to mod it, why not just don't mod it at all until you're not so worried financially since you're still in college.

^^^^^^^ I love this forum but am tired of everyone starting a budget thread and then having a flamer preach about fiscal responsibility and try and lecture on the topic. The question didn't ask about your theory on my finances and how I should spend them. The fact is, whether you are a teacher or Bill Gates, the consumer should be smart and educated with their purchases, as money doesn't grow on trees. Having more or less money doesn't result in one being deemed cheap or willing to gamble on prices, it just merely means that some consumers shop smart. Could I buy 2,500 coilovers, sure, but if I can be happy with 200$ springs and an alignment, then having more money doesn't justify spending more money. I did not mean to get off topic because this discussion was helping me greatly, but it seems with all topics related to ebay purchases, classifieds, special deals, budget routes or conservative spending practices, some member decides to break the rhythm of the thread by asking or mentioning "you have a sports car spend the money, or you spent 30k on your car so spend the money". Enough with this wannabe parental intervention. Answer the thread question or refrain from interrupting the flow, you just bring unwanted attention to yourself.

Now back to the topic, fire away guys, so far your help and pics have been great :tup:

^^^ agreed^^ just because people can finance a 30k car doesnt mean they sh*t $100 bills

Well if this is the case, lets put it this way. If you dont intend on investing on a camber kit, then don't bother lowering your car.

Im running swift springs on my car and I didnt need a camber kit to get it to factory specs, but I got them anyways for a bigger range of adjustments. All cars lowers slightly differently even if the same springs are purchased. If you read the Swift thread you will see that some people needed camber kits and some didnt, but either way it's a must have.

So if camber kits does not fit into your budget save and wait to lower your car. It doesnt matter if you go with coilovers or shocks and springs, your going to need a camber kit.

How does this make sense? "some people needed camber kits and some didnt, but either way it's a must have."??

I kinda agree with the OP... a lot of people on this forum think that the Z is such an expensive car that anyone that doesn't buy $2,000 tires doesn't belong driving the car. Realistically the Z is NOT that expensive of a sports car. You can buy a used 09 for low 20s now, even fully loaded new you aren't talking much more than high 30s low 40s which isn't outrageous.

I don't personally think there is anything wrong with the OP buying springs that might result in a less likely chance of needing a camber kit. If he ends up needing one he is then faced with the dilema of ruining tires or buying the kit but if it is worth the risk to him so be it. I personally plan on buying springs or coils, checking my alignment and then deciding whether or not I need a camber kit.

OP I think your question has been answered... the lower the drop the more likely you'll need the kit... has nothing to do with brand, just drop size. Swifts seem to be the limit, anything with a shorter drop you should probably be able to get away with, just keep an eye on your tire wear for uneven-ness (is that a word?).

I apologize. I worded it wrong.

All Im trying to say is that Camber kits are something that should be bought either way. Its not that expensive, and what is the point in getting the vehicle lowered, and then potentially having to pay for an alignment twice with the added cost of the camber kit just to see if the vehicle can be put back into spec.

What's with the obsession with getting the car within "spec"? The factory spec is awful.

:icon14: how so??

the camber spec is important...... (am i missing something?)

bull poop... you cant adjust front camber.... if you lowered the front the camber changed. how is it back to factory spec?

i put swifts on and front is in spec. front camber isn't affected to much by droppin these things an inch or less. rear is what goes to hell. do a lil searching and you will see.

If you have aggressive rims and tires you will need a camber kit to get it back to factory specs even with an Eibach drop. I did anyways. You can always do the drop and drive it for a week and see how the dirt is sticking to your tires. If the insides are clean you definitely need a camber kit. Not the most accurate way to measure it though.

i dropped mine an inch and i have an alignment print out of -1.6 and -1.5 up front. both not within factory spec. maybe its different with a nismo. hmm

rear camber arms are about $210 and can go in when the springs go in... not that expensive in my opinion :) so that would resolve your worries OP

Camber isn't really what you need to worry about. Toe is much more important. However, adjusting camber DOES affect toe.

IMO, the rear camber kit is cheap enough that you should get it with any drop. And you really do need it for any drop.

Pretty much everybody sees this result...front camber changes very little with a drop. I was well in spec.

Do you think there is a sharp cutoff or something?

Again, I ran 2.6 degrees and saw totally even wear. Saw outside wear on the factory 1* setting.

Factory spec is really mild. A little extra camber will not hurt. It will improve cornering speeds, and you shouldnt see that much more wear....

if you did thats amazing!!! can you snap a pic of your wore tires next time you change them. id love to see how -2.6 camber in the rear causes even tire wear..

again it must be the wider tires and wheel on the nismo, if EVERYONE is seeing the same thing.

I wound up with 1.5 up front, had been 1.3 before drop--still in "spec"

Here's 7.5k on 2.6 degrees

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...1/809d9306.jpg

thats impressive wear. wonder if my toes is eating up my insides. thx RedZed

Yeah, I run very little toe. Min spec rear, and then 0* up front.