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docaam 06-29-2011 02:58 AM

Vibration on 50-70mph
 
Hey guys,

I am having slightly vibration from wheels from 50mph and above and goes off at 80mph.

To to give a head start wheels are new Work Gnosis, tires are fine with 70% thread all balanced with NO spacers, camber/toe/caster is adjusted within OEM range, car is lowered on Tein SS coils and have sway bars.

First thing which came in my mind was ofcourse balancing which is done so can anyone think of what would be the issue. Linkage joint? or toe arms?

kdo2milger 06-29-2011 04:09 AM

are the rims hub centric?

you may need hub centric rings...

try as others have done:
loosen all lugs while veh off the ground, then re-tighten while still off ground.

zuperman 370 06-29-2011 04:35 AM

doc i had the same problem when i installed my volks remember i told you about it, try losing the lug nuts and tighten them up again that might be it, it worked for me

docaam 06-29-2011 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdo2milger (Post 1194972)
are the rims hub centric?

you may need hub centric rings...

try as others have done:
loosen all lugs while veh off the ground, then re-tighten while still off ground.

Aluminium hub rings are there, its has been tighten twice but no harm in trying one more time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuperman 370 (Post 1194976)
doc i had the same problem when i installed my volks remember i told you about it, try losing the lug nuts and tighten them up again that might be it, it worked for me

I know but yours was because of spacers isint?

I had some vibration problem in my G then it came out the problem with linkage joints but was too late to just change that and car needed rotors/hub bearing assembly changed.

I remember reading somewhere that endlinks gets damaged because of sway bars

zuperman 370 06-29-2011 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docaam (Post 1195008)
Aluminium hub rings are there, its has been tighten twice but no harm in trying one more time.



I know but yours was because of spacers isint?

I had some vibration problem in my G then it came out the problem with linkage joints but was too late to just change that and car needed rotors/hub bearing assembly changed.

I remember reading somewhere that endlinks gets damaged because of sway bars

No it turned out to be beacause the lug nuts were not tightened properly once I tightened them the vibration went you should give it a shot

cheshirecat 06-29-2011 07:04 AM

Try removing the wheels and making sure the hubcentric rings are seated properly. Remount the wheels and center them by feel as best you can. Keep the wheel supported and centered as you tighten the lugs.

IMO, this is a non-centered wheel issue.

nogoodname 06-29-2011 07:06 AM

You sure you have the right hub rings... measure the inner part to see if it's 66.1mm or see what's stamped. Did you have the vibrations before wheel install, right after install or later on after install?

RedBullRR 06-29-2011 08:37 AM

Possibly a bad bushing in your control arm. Happened to me in my 350Z a few times from the bigger rims and riding it hard.

docaam 06-29-2011 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 1195027)
Try removing the wheels and making sure the hubcentric rings are seated properly. Remount the wheels and center them by feel as best you can. Keep the wheel supported and centered as you tighten the lugs.

IMO, this is a non-centered wheel issue.

I will try that as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nogoodname (Post 1195028)
You sure you have the right hub rings... measure the inner part to see if it's 66.1mm or see what's stamped. Did you have the vibrations before wheel install, right after install or later on after install?

Yeah proper hub rings, the problem started after I installed my new wheels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBullRR (Post 1195104)
Possibly a bad bushing in your control arm. Happened to me in my 350Z a few times from the bigger rims and riding it hard.

can get it checked as well

nogoodname 06-29-2011 08:58 AM

check all bushings and ball joints! if the car is placed on a lift... look for cracked or ripped joints.... the best way is to actaully drive over a pit while someone checks the suspension from under.... cause when on a lift.... the suspenion tightens up and pretty hard to see where the problem is.

docaam 06-29-2011 09:07 AM

thanks :tiphat:

whealy 06-29-2011 09:46 AM

Ever time I've heard of a speed specific vibration at these speeds it's been a high speed balance issue. They need to take tires off, find heavy spot on wheel match up with opposite end of wheel heavy spot and rebalance. The high speed balance then makes sure all is well. You could have a weight defective wheel or tire causing the issue too.

kenchan 06-29-2011 10:17 AM

it's possible the tire is not completely true (round).

to eliminate the chance of it being a car problem, i would put known good wheel set in the front and take it up to speed. if no vibration then you know for sure it's your Work wheel set.

yes endlinks do wear over time especially if you are using stiffer swaybar settings. but it should not cause your vibration as there's no torsion when going straight on a flat surface.

other factors to check are strut mounts, bushings, rotor, etc. try different damper settings on your TEIN's.

Econ 06-29-2011 10:24 AM

the more things you put in between wheels and the hub, the more vibrating that will occur.

I had spacers and rings and i was vibrating a little. then i hit a pothole and actually knocked off some of my weights, so the wheel was unbalanced...this caused A LOT of vibrating between 50 - 70

9 times out of 10, you need to make sure the wheels are properly balanced.

i completley eliminated vibrations from hub centric wheels and a proper balance

kdo2milger 06-29-2011 01:03 PM

lots of good info here...

please post follow up as to the actual fault and solution for us.

thx

kenchan 06-29-2011 01:08 PM

^^ in your case i think it's the wheels themselves...

docaam 06-29-2011 01:16 PM

I still feel wheels are fine that's my last concern

I will start from re balancing with road contact figures.

Sarah T 08-05-2011 04:43 PM

I just got new tires for my 370, same kind as before, nissan says they are balanced, but the wheel now shakes from 75-80mph (or the whole car kinda i can feel the gas pedal kinda knock) and it also shakes when i brake from 50-60mph. It's driving me crazy to have it drive like this now when it was so perfect before the new tires. Why can't the dealership fix it? For expensive performance tires, it's frustrating to think they are at fault.

docaam 08-05-2011 05:06 PM

did you try get your lower control arms checked?

Sarah T 08-06-2011 04:20 PM

No, I will have them check that (and anything else i can find that could be the problem), mostly they just give me a runaround. This site has helped me before with the dealership with a high pitched noise issue, it was a recall on the car's computer. But thanks for tip i will try anything, i loose sleep over these things :-)

cheshirecat 08-06-2011 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah T (Post 1247431)
I just got new tires for my 370, same kind as before, nissan says they are balanced, but the wheel now shakes from 75-80mph (or the whole car kinda i can feel the gas pedal kinda knock) and it also shakes when i brake from 50-60mph. It's driving me crazy to have it drive like this now when it was so perfect before the new tires. Why can't the dealership fix it? For expensive performance tires, it's frustrating to think they are at fault.

Sounds like one of the wheels isn't centered on the hub properly. I would suggest (again) to simply take the wheel off and remount it, making sure you are supporting the wheel when you torque down the lugs *in proper order*.

Before doing this, you can also just check the tire pressures to see if there's any weirdness.

Jquad 08-07-2011 05:01 AM

what type and size of tires you running?

Sarah T 08-15-2011 02:29 PM

I had to drive with the dealership tech, and insist they over torqued my lugnuts, making the rotor off. They spun my rotors and road forced balanced again, so after three times going back to the dealership, the shake finially went away. MAKE SURE WHEN YOU GET NEW TIRES OR THEY TAKE THE WHEELS OFF, THAT THEY USE THE TORQUE SPECS WHEN TIGHTING THE LUGNUTS or your wheel will shake while braking and from 60-70. It still isn't perfect but I'm tired of spending my time at the dealership about this issue.

B&W_Evader 09-01-2011 10:08 AM

I'd go somewhere else next time you get your tires changed. I've been goint to Wheelworks for years taking wife and in-laws cars there too. They've made a lot of money off me but I don't think they've ripped me off yet. My wife thinks it's better for a woman to have a man there as backup. Even better if he knows something about cars.


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