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brakedrift12 01-05-2011 05:02 AM

What is the best aftermarket spring out in the market?
 
sorry if the same thread is already up somewhere in this forum, but I couldnt find it anywhere so I'm posting it up :p

I'm basically looking for a spring that has nice drop(not slammed) with great handling. I know that most of you will recommend to me to get a set of coilover but since I'm NOT going out for a track so the coilover is not in my option.

Somepeople say that I have to get more than a spring to drop the car such as camber&toe kits etc, while somepeople say camber kits are required defend on the how much it's going to drop. I also have a friend who did not have any camber kits but have done lowering spring then coilovers done to his car.

My questions is what is the best product for the car to have better handling compared to stock springs and how it looks(stiff is always better for me). And are camber and toe kits are REQUIRED to run lowering spring? Is there any springs that does not need both camber and toe kits?

Thanx for you time guys. It's kinda late but HAPPY NEW YEAR!!:tiphat:

Chuck@Z1 01-05-2011 08:33 AM

Based on what you have mentioned in your Post I would recommend a set of Tein S-Tech springs. These springs offer a reasonable drop while not being slammed.

I don't recommend these simply because we sell them but because Tein is a quality manufacturer that considers not only aesthetics but also the ride.

If you are doing any kind of lowering to the car I would recommend getting the adjusting kits because even if it only drops a little you are still getting something out of line that could easily be adjusted back. You can do the drop simply for looks but you will sacrifice other aspects such as tire wear and handling if you do not get everything lined back up afterwards. Also if you ever decided to go with more drop you already have the adjustment there.

kenchan 01-05-2011 10:06 AM

i use to use a lot of tein products in the past, but honestly, they are budget minded and it's a hit or miss with them. i would steer away from tanabe springs as well.

from reading the threads i *think* Swift springs have good overall results. i dont recommend doing just springs though.

tjlazer 01-05-2011 10:39 AM

Swift Spec R sounds right up your alley.

It really is the best spring out there. No camber kits needed too.

VaGntlmn 01-05-2011 12:15 PM

Great timing for the question - thank you.
I'm in the same boat - I want to drop it a little bit, but not a lot.
I am planning to deal with Performance Tuning in Manassas.
They appear to have a good reputation, but they ONLY offer the Tanabe performance springs, which I think is a little limiting.
So I'm definitely in for comments.

christian370z 01-05-2011 12:36 PM

I have to put in another vote for Swift Spec R springs; amazing performance for springs with a great ride, and the lowering is spot on as it is not too low but is just right for my taste.

CFZ 01-05-2011 12:58 PM

Damn I looked all over the forum for this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by s30z (Post 807377)
Just called Eibach to find out what the spring rates are for the Nismo. And I'm not going to lie. The car looks good but Im going to pass on this.

The 370z is already well balanced out of the box I do not need it to induce understeer.
The stock Nismo rates are
F- 8.6 R- 9.3

The Eibach rates for the normal Z
F- 8.6 F- 9.5

The Eibach Nismo Rates are
F- 9.8kg R- 9.5 which is a 14% increase in the front and 2% increase in the rear.

I dont see why they would set this car up like this. They completely switched up the spring rate bias from front to rear. And a front heavy spring like that will not only induce understeer, but the valving range of the shock is also slightly altered, the rear rates being extremely close to stock, and then the front rates are more sprung. Even though it is within the valving range of the shocks, if Nismo really did a good job fine tuning their shocks then these springs will throw off the original feel Nismo was going for.

Just to show you the rest of the spring rates
Tein s-tech -
F- 8.5 R- 9.4

Tanabe NF
F- 5.9 R- 6.8

Tanabe GF
F- 8.8 R- 9.1

Swift Spec R
F- 10 R-10.5

So just about every spring manufacturer out there pretty much decreases the rates of our nismo which pretty much completely dtunes our upgraded shocks.

Eibach although stiffer, went in a weird direction with their spring rates, and will alter the handling characteristics of the Z

Swift is the only one by numbers is a performance option for our Nismo shocks.

these are all converted to kg/mm if you guys want me to post it up in pounds per inch I can do that later.


CFZ 01-05-2011 12:59 PM

and i posted it in the wrong thread! LOL!

kenchan 01-05-2011 02:23 PM

which of them are progressive and which are linear?

if progressive, how much compression needed before the advertised rate?

God-Speed 01-05-2011 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 881580)
Swift Spec R sounds right up your alley.

It really is the best spring out there. No camber kits needed too.

:iagree:
They are what I went with. :tup:

504 370z 01-05-2011 06:14 PM

Me too!

VaGntlmn 01-05-2011 10:02 PM

so, who sells the Swifts? I haven't found them on the vendor sights I've checked so far
What are their drops? 1.25" front and 1" rear?
Isn't that really aggressive and won't that cause other problems?
And they really don't need camber kits? - cool!!

I've decided against the Tanabe's.
The drops that they offer (.8" front and 1" rear) are not what I'm looking for.

And I've been looking at the Eibach's, which I really like, but the hidden costs (camber kits) are killing it.

Thanks

christian370z 01-05-2011 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDRead (Post 882682)
so, who sells the Swifts? I haven't found them on the vendor sights I've checked so far
What are their drops? 1.25" front and 1" rear?
Isn't that really aggressive and won't that cause other problems?
And they really don't need camber kits? - cool!!

Yep, they will let your camber come back into factory specification and in real life will drop the car 1.3" in the front and 1.1" in the rear which is just about perfect.

Ron 01-05-2011 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDRead (Post 882682)
so, who sells the Swifts? I haven't found them on the vendor sights I've checked so far

+1 on Swifts. You can get them here: Swift Spec-R Springs 370Z 08+ and here is the review thread: http://www.the370z.com/brakes-suspen...eviewed-6.html Hope that helps

christian370z 01-06-2011 12:52 AM

Just a shameless plug to post pictures of my car, here is how the drop looks:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...12_1434pro.jpg

res0zsfa 01-06-2011 02:13 AM

loving it

brakedrift12 01-06-2011 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 882872)
Just a shameless plug to post pictures of my car, here is how the drop looks:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...12_1434pro.jpg

hows the sports package Z will look like? you know, you are running with 18 inch wheel so Im assuming they will show a bit difference :p

and how does it ride compare to the stock spring?

And THANKS to all those people sharing your great knowledge!!:tiphat:

VaGntlmn 01-06-2011 08:18 AM

Christian - that does look good.

Okay, you all are doing a good job selling me on the swifts.
So this may be my last set of questions (you wish)
1) Did you have to have anything else done when the springs were installed? camber kits, 2 and/or 4 wheel alignments, anything like that (and approx cost)? I'm just looking for other gotcha's before I commit.
2) Any problems with the height? speed bumps and (most normal) driveways especially?

And I agree with brakedrift, THANK YOU ALL for the information; it is greatly appreciated.

370Z JT 01-06-2011 08:58 AM

There is less wheel gap with the sport rays. There's a pic a few pages back.

Osiris 01-06-2011 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Z JT (Post 883030)
There is less wheel gap with the sport rays. There's a pic a few pages back.

You must be thinking of a different thread. But i would like to see the 19" sport rays with the Swifts.

And Christian, what did the Z parked next to you use for a drop?

tjlazer 01-06-2011 10:31 AM

Here is mine with Nismo wheels. My drop was a little less than andvertised, maybe cuz of my wheel/tire combo, dunno. I also did not need any camber kits or anything else.

You can also see lots more pics of the drop here:
http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...ft-spec-r.html

http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...side-shot.jpeg

christian370z 01-06-2011 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brakedrift12 (Post 882901)
hows the sports package Z will look like? you know, you are running with 18 inch wheel so Im assuming they will show a bit difference :p

and how does it ride compare to the stock spring?

And THANKS to all those people sharing your great knowledge!!:tiphat:

I was actually somewhat hesitant when I read reviews about how these springs had better performance while offering a more comfortable ride. I thought there is no way a spring car have higher spring rates while somehow remaining more comfortable than stock but that is exactly what the Swifts delivered.

Basically, it is what I would call OEM+. It rides just as well even though it is slightly firmer, however it is more comfortable because the spring rates feel much more in tune with what I would expect a sports car to perform at. The car feels much lighter on its feet through turns and there is no wallowing if the car hits any bumps or undulations in the road which lends to a much more secure, planted ride. Paired with my Stillen sway bars, it doesn't get much better in terms of balance and is overall many steps above the exact same car with the same sway bar settings. The Swifts made all the difference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDRead (Post 882995)
Christian - that does look good.

Okay, you all are doing a good job selling me on the swifts.
So this may be my last set of questions (you wish)
1) Did you have to have anything else done when the springs were installed? camber kits, 2 and/or 4 wheel alignments, anything like that (and approx cost)? I'm just looking for other gotcha's before I commit.
2) Any problems with the height? speed bumps and (most normal) driveways especially?

1) I had an alignment done and I had a more aggressive alignment to improve turn in and steering feel. You will NEED an alignment done, but no camber arms are necessary as all my numbers came back within factory spec. My alignment cost $90 and it was custom since I wanted slightly more aggressive adjustments.

2) Firstly, the only part of the car that "scrapes" are the two small plastic flaps in front of both front wheels. These are replaceable and no other part of the bumper has come close to kissing the pavement. Secondly, I scrape on many things I did not previously haha. Speed bumps are not a big issue as going slowly and approaching them at a slight angle will negate any clearance issues. The worst situations will be going in and out of driveways such as turning off streets into shopping centers and such, by far and away the worst areas! But again, the only part of the car that scrapes are the flexible and disposable front flaps which in all honesty scraped on 75% of those speed bumps and driveways even at stock ride height.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 883042)
You must be thinking of a different thread. But i would like to see the 19" sport rays with the Swifts.

And Christian, what did the Z parked next to you use for a drop?

That is Triple's Z and he is riding on Eibach springs with 20mm spacers I believe. His car is definitely slightly lower than mine but it is hard to tell until I get some comparative 19" wheels.

christian370z 01-06-2011 11:48 AM

My Review of the Swift Spec R Springs
 
My review right after the installation, all the those points still stand today.

Quote:

Today I drove over to my good friend Seb at SpecialtyZ (Canoga, CA) to have my Swift Spec R springs installed. I got there bright and early and work started right away, going smoothly and taking only a couple hours front and rear with no real surprises for once! These springs are supposedly the best performance springs available and yet have been reported to ride more comfortably than the stock springs while being called "junior coil overs." I had a hard time believing this initially, but they were worth every penny.

Quality of the Springs: I was honestly a bit disappointed that the springs came powder coated black rather than the beautiful metallic blue color that is advertised on their website but the coat is even and looks very durable. Compared to the stock springs, these look very beefy and much more substantial which I thought was a plus.

Lowering Observations: The kit is supposed to lower the car 1" in the rear and 1.2" in the front to give the car a nice, slightly more aggressive pose. Once the car was settled off the lift and received an alignment, the ride height was already at the marketed drop so I expect it to go a little lower as the springs settle. The drop is very even front and rear and is the perfect look in my opinion: not too low but not too conservative.

Driving Impressions: this was what interested me the most, I had a hard time understanding how this spring can perform so much better (increased spring rate) but be more comfortable than stock. It depends on your definition of comfortable, but it did improve ride quality in a few areas: large freeway bumps, undulations and overpass rises felt much better as the car just felt more planted and settled during and after the undulations. It also had less of a bounding motion. That said, the ride is firmer and was immediately noticeable as soon as I hit the road. It is not a harsh firmness, but it feels much more positive and controlled which is exactly what I was looking for.

I took it through Malibu canyon roads such as Mulholland on my way back from the shop and the car felt PERFECT. There was no noticeable body roll, and steering response as well as turn in felt much more precise and direct. The car was balanced perfectly between the Stillen sway bar set to the firmest setting in the rear and the spring rates, there was no hint of understeer and I felt like I could finally effectively control the car using throttle. Mid corner bumps did not unsettle the car or give a lurching sensation like the stock springs did and it felt suitably firm at higher speeds which kept the car feeling planted.

All in all, I am very very happy with these springs and can not ask any more from them.

VaGntlmn 01-06-2011 01:01 PM

The original pic with the sport rays is in the review thread: Swift springs reviewed

jeffreyfranz 01-06-2011 07:33 PM

Christian: What shocks did you pair with your new Swift springs? Thanks.

christian370z 01-06-2011 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffreyfranz (Post 883932)
Christian: What shocks did you pair with your new Swift springs? Thanks.

I am running stock shocks, these springs feel like a better match with the valving of the factory shocks. Until Koni releases their sport shocks for these cars, I will be very happy running on OEM dampers.

TheGreatOne 02-14-2011 01:25 PM

I've probably been doing research for the last few weeks, trying to dig up all posts from 2009 on...

Still hard to really pin point what I can get. I mean, Swift sounds like the hands down favorite as it offers the best performance along with a great drop...but for where I live, I'm wondering if that drop might be a little to low...along with my F.I. CBE thats coming soon :)

I guess a lot comes down to opinion, but the other two spring choices that say their drop is less than 1" is Eibach or Tein but both are apparently really soft....so it might actually hurt performance.

I guess you can't get it all unless you go Swift? I'm just wondering which is the lesser of 2 evils with eitehr Tein or Eibach......Tanabe is rulled out at this point


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