Annex Suspension Review
So I was looking for some good coilovers for my Z. I've looked into the Powertrix Road and Track, Fortune Auto 500 and the HKS Hipermax IV SP. Then a member here suggested I check out this new company called Annex Suspension group in Fremont California.
I liked the website and the testing they did for the 370Z. They really go in depth to describe to you what you could be getting before you actually get it. They said they are firm but never harsh, the coilovers are quiet yet gives you tons of grip and stability. I drove with the guy that got the prototypes for the 370Z and omg I was blown away. I was actually scared of how much the bar was raised from my stock springs and Koni's to the Annex's that this guy had. Braking was insane, cornering was insane and the stability when he was pushing the car to it's limits were insane. I would compare the stock springs and Koni's to a 5 and the Annex's to a 9 in every category. He did let me drive it and it was a completely different car compared to mine which felt relatively stock. I also tried keeping up with him in a cruise. His crusing cornering speeds were my limits to where my car was making the dreaded understeering noise if you come into a corner too hot. I also noted how comfortable they were and quiet, well above the stock comfort level which was nuts. Then on Saturday I installed the fronts after they arrived, install went smooth like any coilover install but I may have screwed with the preload by accident so I'll have to set it back to how they have it to me. I am avoiding doing the rear dampers and just doing the rear springs because I need to drill a hole in the plastics in the rear hatch for the adjustment knobs. I'll let a shop do it. I took it out after just doing the fronts and every fault I complained about before WAS GONE. No more dive bombing if I brake too hard, no more dancing in the corners, no more nervous feeling at high speed bumps and no more understeering in the corners. The corner speed and stability was through the roof. Overall, I love these and highly recommend them to new comers especially since a lot of new guys are afraid that the ride with coilovers will be harsh. These are not plus they don't make ANY NOISE like some other coilovers on the market. I may get the Swift uprades in the future but right now I'm just going to settle in with these and enjoy them! In one of the pics it showed I disconnect the sway bar. For the new guys that may install this themselves, I highly recommend doing this to make things easier on yourself. [IMG]https://i.ibb.co/4ZTWhMD/IMG-20190608-081531018.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ibb.co/N2mpX1b/IMG-20190608-132613287.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.ibb.co/qJKm3x3/IMG-20190608-132542479.jpg[/IMG] |
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now stop being a baby and get all the SPL **** so you can align your car |
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In case you missed it, I will not be going low lol |
whats the point of coils if you cant tune the alignment?
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I'm still wondering why I need SPL control arms or FUCA if I plan on just going with the stock alignment. I've heard stories of people losing the alignment especially in the rear after coilovers but that was one person. |
because the stock alignment is crap
you are really putting artificial limits on yourself resulting in a whacky plan where you're gonna end up doing stuff multiple times but whatever clearly you've already justified whatever you're gonna do |
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Everyone just tells me I need them without telling me why I need them or how they benefit me. |
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At stock alignment, outside of the tires (especially fronts) get punished a lot more due to the lack of negative camber. With the now stiffer springs and shocks, your fronts will compress even less, yielding less negative camber during corner, unevenly punishing the outside edge of the tire even more. Research more within the track section. You need to better your understanding on how alignment changes handling. |
Why you need FUCA at least?
Because stock doesn't offer any adjustability at all, so you need them go set the height you like and then adjust the alignment to where you like. Stock Z doesn't have any camber as well, it is like -0.5, which isn't good for spirited driving, even my srt392 had around -1.5 front camber stock. Rears? They have some adjustability, and will not be an issue on stock or near stock height. |
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Read his post again
Front of the Z has no adjustment; the SPL fuca gives full adjustability The front of the Z desperately needs camber to fight understeer |
To clarify my post...negative camber helps with cornering. Stock alignment is great for commuting.
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I ride a bicycle or walk to work, I drive my car for fun on weekends. So I actually spoke with two guys from SPL and they recommended this. Because I now am a owner of coilovers and are now a little lower than stock, I will automatically have more negative camber in the front from stock the second I lower it. So as a beginner, he said I could just leave it alone but pay attention to any uneven tire wear.
For the rear though, he suggested I get the SPL rear toe bolts and rear camber arms to keep things simple and go from there because the 370Z is notorious for losing it's rear alignment and Nissan basically have a weird almost 0 camber in the rear which can make the tires chirp or gives you crappy handling. What do you guys think about what he recommended? |
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Everyone here thinks you should get a set of front control arms. I would start at -2 degrees for your purposes but to put things in perspective, a lot of us who track or compete with our cars run -3. I would suggest getting rear arms with an eccentric elimination kit. out back i run -2 for clearance but that's up to you. I dont like to describe overall handling in terms as general as good or bad, but with less rear camber you will get better longitudinal grip under acceleration but less rear end grip when cornering which depending on what you do with the car may or may not be what you want. |
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This is interesting, as the Z has rear negative camber in stock form, around -1.5, which will increase if you lower the car, but this isn't the full story, when you lower the rears, the toe will be more inward. More negative camber isn't that bad, but excess toe in is bad, this will make the rear more tail happy, and it increases unusual tire wear. |
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Stock 370z has eccentric toe bolts to adjust camber and toe in the rear. There is Zero front adjustment. The flaw with these bolt should is that they slip over time. SPL sells these SPC (note difference) to toe bolts which REPLACE the stock toe bolts and offer slightly more adjustment. They have the same flaw as stock bolts but they are a cheap option for non high performance use The SPL ECCENTRIC LOCKOUT kit replaces the rear camber and toe eccentric bolts and ELIMINATES ALL ADJUSTMENT from them. They become "locked" in place, hence the name lockout kit As stated in their description, this kit is for folks who have their rear adjustable arms, because THATS where the adjustability lies. The arms are more stable and offer more precise alignment capability, far superior to the oem eccentric bolts. So you get rid of the failure point of the eccentric bolts and gain the greater adjustment of the arms ....but you have to get the arms If SPL suggest the replacement bolts, I'm sure it was because you were squeamish on the phone about suspensions mods and they figured you were being a baby again about suspension modifications in your sports car |
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Maybe you should read what i wrote and say thank you?
Funny you wanna talk about doing things easier and not wasting time when this whole thread has been folks using THEIR time to help YOU, and all you got is excuses and whining about your feelings Seriously, don't worry about me. You came to this forum for help and multiple people have been generous enough to provide info, including me. Show a little goddamn apprecation If all you wanted was affirmation about you already knew and wanted to do, go find a mirror and lick it. |
I think, ultimately, SPDKING just needs to educates himself on camber, toe, and caster. Since his car is not a daily, and he seems to be a novice in terms of tackling corners, he has time to sharpen his skills and discover things for himself.
If he’s only keeping this car for a short time, all these talks may just be a moot point. However, he should follow suggestions here if all of following applies: -he’s serious about throwing the car around corners -he’ll keep the car for a few years -he has the financial means to do everything up front (which can save mucho $ in the long run) |
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I've boiled it down to me needing everything in this Z1 kit but buy the parts from SPL because I don't know if Z1's quality is all there because I see they are using a SPC rear tow bolts which people said aren't any good and skip the lockout bolts because I can't adjust the camber passed -.5 degrees. https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...e-p-12183.html |
Dont get the z1 ****
Search for prior threads on this. Folks have had provlems with them Get the spl stuff that we’ve been telling you about from the start You making this harder than it needs to be |
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"I've boiled it down to me needing everything in this Z1 kit but buy the parts from SPL because I don't know if Z1's quality is all there because I see they are using a SPC rear tow bolts which people said aren't any good and skip the lockout bolts because I can't adjust the camber passed -.5 degrees" |
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