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Skipperdoodle 08-04-2018 11:08 AM

Braking bad...
 
Hey guys!

So I’ve done a couple of track days and mountain runs with my Z since purchasing it in April. I have noticed some very odd things while under braking. Not necessarily hard braking, or consistent locations. Sometimes when I’m entering a corner the fronts will trigger the anti lock system and I’m not even on the brakes that hard. Other times I’m in the brakes hard and deep and the car brakes real nice. It’s not a consistent experience at all. My car is stock, with the exception of slotted front rotors and Motul RBF 600. I have no idea what kind of pads are in it, there is lots of meat on the pads still and I’m not going to replace them for better pads until they’re gone. I’m running bf Goodrich comp 2 a/s tires. I know they’re not great at all, but the dealer slapped them on new when I bought the car. So again, I’m not replacing them with something better until they’re wasted.

Usually when it triggers, I have to just deal with the resulting understeer by mashing the gas to get the rear to swing around. (which is one thing the Z does really, really well imo)

It’s my opinion that the electric nannying in our cars is far too invasive. The traction control system cuts in at the littlest bit of slip and the abs triggers whenever it wants. I’ve read some threads about ice mode triggering and I wondering if that’s what I am experiencing. Is there any way to just shut down anti lock? Help, questions and comments are all appreciated thanks in advance guys!

SouthArk370Z 08-04-2018 02:00 PM

Are you sure tire diameters are in spec?

Skipperdoodle 08-04-2018 02:50 PM

Pretty sure they’re in spec. They are the OEM sizes for the wheels. They’re not flat spotted or anything.

Rusty 08-05-2018 09:27 PM

Do you have the VDC off? If not. It will apply brake pressure to a rear wheel to straighten the car out. Most times when it happens. It will point you in the wrong direction.

JARblue 08-05-2018 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3776884)
Do you have the VDC off? If not. It will apply brake pressure to a rear wheel to straighten the car out. Most times when it happens. It will point you in the wrong direction.

ABLS still applies the rear brakes when wheel slip is detected even if VDC is off :twocents:

http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...er-switch.html

Rusty 08-05-2018 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3776890)
ABLS still applies the rear brakes when wheel slip is detected even if VDC is off :twocents:

http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...er-switch.html

Not as much. But it will still do it.

JARblue 08-05-2018 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3776892)
Not as much. But it will still do it.

Very true. ABLS is far less invasive than VDC. But it still can catch you off guard at the limit, especially if you're not expecting it.

Rusty 08-05-2018 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3776894)
Very true. ABLS is far less invasive than VDC. But it still can catch you off guard at the limit, especially if you're not expecting it.

.........and it will always point you in the wrong direction. :shakes head:

dts3 08-06-2018 12:30 AM

Maybe a flakey wheel speed sensor?

Skipperdoodle 08-06-2018 02:55 PM

Can uprev or ECUTEK tuning shut all of that "ABLS" along with traction control down entirely?

How would I know if a wheel speed sensor is bad?

Rusty 08-06-2018 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipperdoodle (Post 3777040)
Can uprev or ECUTEK tuning shut all of that "ABLS" along with traction control down entirely?

How would I know if a wheel speed sensor is bad?

If it was a wheel speed sensor. You would have a CEL.

Spooler 08-06-2018 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3777054)
If it was a wheel speed sensor. You would have a CEL.

That's not always the case. I have fixed several cars that had no CEL. It was caused by a wheel speed sensor that was reading low.

Rusty 08-06-2018 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3777114)
That's not always the case. I have fixed several cars that had no CEL. It was caused by a wheel speed sensor that was reading low.

Hmmmmm...........never come across that yet. The ones I replaced had a CEL.

Spooler 08-06-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3777117)
Hmmmmm...........never come across that yet. The ones I replaced had a CEL.

That is because the resistance was off which is what happens most of the time. I have had a couple I had to put diagnostics on and drive around watching the wheel speed sensors. The other thing I have found is someone who swapped an axle and forgot to transfer the reluctor wheel on the new axle.

dts3 08-07-2018 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3777114)
That's not always the case. I have fixed several cars that had no CEL. It was caused by a wheel speed sensor that was reading low.


Ditto. It's like a half-a** failure. It's strange


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