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robbie 12-15-2009 11:40 PM

Dash Board rattle
 
Are any of you getting a rattle eminating from the centre dash? I'm getting one when i run on course chip surfaces eg M4 in sydney and it is driving me nuts!!! Not sure whether the dealership can help.

GTRFAN 12-16-2009 12:28 AM

I had something rattle for a while behind the cluster area just in front of the windscreen, but it went away.

evse82 12-16-2009 02:50 AM

I had a bit of a noise coming from my windscreen, basically, every time i turned into my driveway and the right front wheel went over the gutter (the driveway bit not a full gutter) i'd hear a creak coming from where the glass meets the dash almost like the body of the car was shifting lol.....

I don't know if it is still there or not but my exhaust has certainly fixed the issue of me hearing it now lol

Lord Kain 12-16-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie (Post 326001)
Are any of you getting a rattle eminating from the centre dash? I'm getting one when i run on course chip surfaces eg M4 in sydney and it is driving me nuts!!! Not sure whether the dealership can help.

I agree with you, for the first time the other day on are really new rough piece of road I hear this little rattle. I tried to find it but no luck, it was in the centre of the dash somewhere. I thought about the dealership as well but I think the rattle would need to be there all the time first.

feelzpwr91 12-16-2009 10:46 PM

yea i got it to, do you have an exhaust?

Lord Kain 12-17-2009 12:06 AM

nope I'm stock, the funny thing is it doesn't happen all the time. Only on one road, I cant tell the service department manager to drive all the way down to this one road, they'll think I'm carzy.

earwicker7 12-19-2009 05:34 PM

Bloody hell, behind the cluster area too (EDIT--maybe, are you talking about the cluster of RPM, MPH, etc., or the voltage, oil temp, etc.? Mine is behind the RPM one.) And it usually (there are exceptions) only shows up under load at around 3000 RPM, i.e., at least 40 mph. My dealer is in an area with bumper to bumper traffic, so they think I'm crazy since I can't get it to rattle on demand at 20 mph.

I'm considering taking the damned dash off myself, even though I have no skills in this area. How hard would it be to get at the area behind the cluster? I've got a feeling it's probably just something that is loose.

BTW, this didn't start until after I put the FI exhaust on... it's loudest at right around 3000 RPM.

jekel 12-21-2009 06:14 AM

hhmm no noises like above here but today was in car with no music for awhile and i hear some kinda electrical noise sounds like its coming from the left door speaker...........wonder if it was always there or coz normally im pumping music i can't here it...............anyone else have electrical sounds coming from any speakers when no music playing? Only there when engine is running...........if i just push start and play music or have the system on no engine.........its not there

370er 12-21-2009 07:48 AM

jekel - is it a high pitched noise? There have been a lot of posts about it.

High pitch noise coming from passenger side

That's just one thread I dug up but there are others.

So far I haven't noticed any strange noises *fingers crossed*

B1nks 12-21-2009 08:28 AM

Same exact thing here ! At about 2500-3000 under load mine will make a buzzing sound from what sounds like behind the RPM cluster. Started after I installed my FI exhaust. Not blaming FI..just wierd.


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Originally Posted by earwicker7 (Post 332393)
Bloody hell, behind the cluster area too (EDIT--maybe, are you talking about the cluster of RPM, MPH, etc., or the voltage, oil temp, etc.? Mine is behind the RPM one.) And it usually (there are exceptions) only shows up under load at around 3000 RPM, i.e., at least 40 mph. My dealer is in an area with bumper to bumper traffic, so they think I'm crazy since I can't get it to rattle on demand at 20 mph.

I'm considering taking the damned dash off myself, even though I have no skills in this area. How hard would it be to get at the area behind the cluster? I've got a feeling it's probably just something that is loose.

BTW, this didn't start until after I put the FI exhaust on... it's loudest at right around 3000 RPM.


jekel 12-21-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 370er (Post 335556)
jekel - is it a high pitched noise? There have been a lot of posts about it.

High pitch noise coming from passenger side

That's just one thread I dug up but there are others.

So far I haven't noticed any strange noises *fingers crossed*

thanks for that but nah not high pitched noise..........this one is not that bad and its bearable just few odd sounds now and then, real quiet.........cant really describe

Lord Kain 12-22-2009 10:05 PM

I just had my exhaust replaced and the rattle is there all the time now, next service they can attempt to fix it, lol.

SilverBullet 12-22-2009 10:06 PM

I have a dash rattle in my G37 that is annoying.

earwicker7 12-22-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by B1nks (Post 335573)
Same exact thing here ! At about 2500-3000 under load mine will make a buzzing sound from what sounds like behind the RPM cluster. Started after I installed my FI exhaust. Not blaming FI..just wierd.

No, of course it isn't FI's fault. Knowing a bit about speakers, I've picked up a feel for resonance issues, and given that I'm not the only one experiencing this exact problem, I'm thinking one of two things...

A. The sonic frequency which the exhaust puts out between 2500 to 3000 RPM is exciting a resonance mode in some part of the dashboard, causing it to vibrate like mad and bang up against something next to it.

B. The same as A, except it is causing a resonance mode in some loose part in the same area.

Lord Kain 12-22-2009 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7 (Post 338334)
No, of course it isn't FI's fault. Knowing a bit about speakers, I've picked up a feel for resonance issues, and given that I'm not the only one experiencing this exact problem, I'm thinking one of two things...

A. The sonic frequency which the exhaust puts out between 2500 to 3000 RPM is exciting a resonance mode in some part of the dashboard, causing it to vibrate like mad and bang up against something next to it.

B. The same as A, except it is causing a resonance mode in some loose part in the same area.

This is simply a rattle, it was there before my exhaust. It only happened on one piece of road, once I left it, it was gone. This was on a highway no change in RPM's just a section of road that he been repaired. Now after the exhaust even rolling along the road I get the rattle. My RPM would be no more than 2000 at the most.

j.arnaldo 12-23-2009 08:13 AM

I have a squeak, instead of a rattle. I've learned to live with it (it's a very low-pitched one). Good luck.

earwicker7 01-29-2010 11:50 PM

Finally got tired of the rattle and took it to the dealer. The said that although it may sound (from the driver's perspective) like it's coming from behind the speedometer pod, it's actually from the cluster of gauges in the center of the dash. They're taking the whole damn thing (not just what appears on top of the dash, apparently) out next week and replacing it.

Woohoo! I thought for sure they'd play the "We can't reproduce it" card, but they came through for me. This is soooooo important to me, as I feel it's been keeping me from fully enjoying the exhaust tone (what fun is it to give it some gas and get a rattle back?).

Long story short... don't trust your instincts and think the dealer will hassle you!

Mr Ed 01-31-2010 12:36 AM

Buy some silicon spray, that can take rattles/squeaks out.

My FPV GT's A pillar had a squeak and after spraying that stuff on, it went away. Now from time to time, I spray some more.

Silicon spray doesnt interfere with electrics so its cool.

I actually sprayed some silicon on the Z too (seat belt thingy) near the seat as they squeak sometimes too!

LiquidZ 04-07-2010 03:55 PM

Last night, I discovered I had a rattle coming from my center dash. I haven't heard this before. My girlfriend was in the car and helped me locate the rattle. We found that when you open the cubby door in the center of the dash, and push down on the "floor" of the cubby (force directed towards the top of the radio), the rattle stops. I am assuming the rattle is located between the cubby and radio.

I will say that the rattle isn't like others I have heard before in other cars. It is a very faint "ticking" and sounds similar to static coming through speakers. The rattle still persists even when the radio is off.

Anybody have a similar problem and/or solution? If all else fails, I'll see if the dealer can fix it.

gumpy 04-07-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie (Post 326001)
Are any of you getting a rattle eminating from the centre dash? I'm getting one when i run on course chip surfaces eg M4 in sydney and it is driving me nuts!!! Not sure whether the dealership can help.

you know... i get a buzzing noise from somewhere in the dash whilst on the M2 and M4 as well...

I've accepted this noise as Nissan's lack of attempt to have any noise suppression in the car as it only occurs on them rough roads at 90+kph... Thankfully the tyre roar generally overwhelms the noise ><...

It's annoying but i don't think it's something they can fix cause it sounds like some thin metal component shaking and resonating just at a particular frequency...

Would just like to add that I can now see why the 135i was more expensive and how it could have possibly been worth the extra money. Those cars have very few squeaks and rattles, the boot opens when you press open and the fuel guages aren't f'd in the a.

chiliwili 04-07-2010 11:21 PM

i have a similar noise... i thought it was the roof mechanism (i have the roadster). Hasn't really bothered me much though. I don't know, i never expect the car to be perfect... even if it is bloody good.

robbie 04-08-2010 07:38 AM

i don't know bout the 135i. i hv seen my friends reduces to tears as they battle with unthinkable reliability issues on their current gen beemers. so i won't be so convinced that you would be happier from a reliability perspective. also, the z and the 135 are totally different in styling and practicality.

back to the noise issues - hasn't anyone found the solution. surely given the number of us with the same issue, i would have thought that nissan oz would take the effort to find a solution ... unless no ones raised it with them??

gumpy 04-08-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie (Post 486404)
i don't know bout the 135i. i hv seen my friends reduces to tears as they battle with unthinkable reliability issues on their current gen beemers. so i won't be so convinced that you would be happier from a reliability perspective. also, the z and the 135 are totally different in styling and practicality.

back to the noise issues - hasn't anyone found the solution. surely given the number of us with the same issue, i would have thought that nissan oz would take the effort to find a solution ... unless no ones raised it with them??

No Nissan will not do out of their way to do anything, even if it were brought to their attention. But that would be the same for all car companies i think.... i have no faith in them anymore...

dudafunk 05-11-2010 03:32 PM

I have started having the same problem too, after reaching 6000 miles.
I think its behind the RPM console too but I'll try the cubby/radio push attempt someone mentioned above right away. I thought I did explore the area but I'll give it another shot after reading this thread... :(

And about the dealeship.. yeah I'm not going there. **** the dealers.

fullmonty 05-11-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GTRFAN (Post 326097)
I had something rattle for a while behind the cluster area just in front of the windscreen, but it went away.

I had this last night while I was idling

earwicker7 05-13-2010 05:32 PM

So it turns out that even with the dealership "fix", the rattles are still there. I'm pretty convinced at this point that it is a problem with the design of the car and there doesn't seem to be much that can be done through traditional methods (I don't have the cubby, so that fix won't work for me).

The only thing I can still think of is to possibly turn to audio experts... I would think that a big part of "monster" stereos would be making sure that the car doesn't turn into a rattling nightmare. Does anyone know if there are methods of rattle-proofing that car audio fans use?

KingZee 01-17-2012 10:54 PM

I've had this issue for a while, definitely around my stereo/cubby...anyone figure anything out with this yet?

dthem370 01-18-2012 08:27 AM

I have the same problem as well, I just learned to live with it. It did get worse with the exhaust but oh well. I don't want to deal with the dealership.

earwicker7 01-18-2012 11:59 AM

I've also noticed that it is the loudest when it is around 70 degrees fahrenheit outside. I think the issue is that one of the hard plastic parts in the dashboard is expanding/contracting based on the ambient temperature, and when it is at that certain point, it rattles against the window.

KingZee 01-18-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by earwicker7 (Post 1496131)
I've also noticed that it is the loudest when it is around 70 degrees fahrenheit outside. I think the issue is that one of the hard plastic parts in the dashboard is expanding/contracting based on the ambient temperature, and when it is at that certain point, it rattles against the window.

Yeah I'm sure it's something like that...I thought it had to do with my after market stereo install but obviously many are having the same issue so that's that.

If we can find exactly which piece it is we can probably wrap it with something to eliminate the rattle. I'll take the dash apart when I have some time and try and post pics if I figure anything out.

juld0zer 04-02-2013 10:40 AM

Bit of a thread revival here - i'm pretty anal and i will relentlessly hunt down all squeaks and rattles. I've had a dull pitched rattle that occurs around 800-1000rpm UNTIL the car is warmed up after about 10mins of driving at 50-60kmh. This suggests heat could be a factor in hushing the noise so it would have to be a component that's near warm components. Weather is cooler these days and i have been using a little help from the heater to keep things cosy :) I've got a problem with my air mix door motor (no control of temp between 18.5-30.5*C) so it would be futile telling you what temp setting i have it on. Whatever it is, it's not hot.. luke warm at most.

I bought a roll of the VW/Audi anti rattle felt tape that they use. I've almost finished the roll...

Whatever you do, don't go around spraying silicon spray everywhere. The FSM warns of it and it's a good thing to heed. Once you've got silicon spray everywhere, you'll never be able to cure it for good.

So far i've investigated:
- Wiring behind Bose w/nav stereo unit (all cables are already wrapped in sponge or felt tape material, but the cables can still strike the HVAC unit behind, potentially causing the hollow rattling noise i'm getting from the centre of my dash). I give Nissan credit for wrapping the cables and i suppose they're thick and stiff enough to not flop around too much. I stuck a sheet of felt material onto the HVAC unit just for good measure. Didn't work so i took it off.

- Wiring for the air mix door and mode door motors (thin wiring, wedged flush against the side of the HVAC unit. Again, this could cause the hollow rattling noise i get). I simply pulled the wiring away from the HVAC unit so there's minimal chance of contact. The rattle still occurs.

- Trio of gauges, ie. the battery, oil temp and clock ones (Upon my standard wiggle and thump tests, the hoods had quite a bit of play but made a more high pitched rattle/squeak when provoked. For good measure, i folded some felt tape together and wedged it between the silver trim and the hoods. Play between the hood and gauge has been reduced, squeaking reduced to almost zero as a result).

- Wiring to the trio of gauges. There is a cable fitted behind the nav screen that goes up to the gauge pod area. Connectors were observed to have some room for movement and potential vibration against the metal framework nearby. I wrapped felt around the connectors and zip tied them tight to the framework. Rattle still occurs.

- Stereo/HVAC control unit and Nav screen. These components seemed to be screwed down well by the factory. Following removal and refitting, i tightened them up a little extra. Rattle still occurs.

- DLC/OBD2 connector. This is one loose mofo. I've wedged some neoprene padding material to reduce the movement of said connector. It has reduced some of the rattling but it hasn't been eliminated.

- Shifter (MT) boot. This is a separate problem: shifter mechanism rattles intermittently. I've done the fixes suggested here (Pull the boot snug up against the existing zip tie and add an additional zip tie to hold the boot up). Didn't work for me. I'm not game to pull the boot OVER the factory white zip tie). I'm putting this rattle down to the reverse lock out mechanism.

- Windshield defogger vent and sunload sensor. The sensor was loose and easy to pop out with just fingernail levering. Wiggling said sensor in its hole made an annoying sound so i wrapped the sides of the sensor with felt tape and shoved it back in. It fits very snugly now and no movement at all. The windshield vent (driver's side, ie. right side in our country) was very loose. There was about 1cm of movement that you could provoke with gentle tugging upwards. Used trim removal tool to pop it off and i applied felt tape to the outer edges of the grille, shoved it back in. It was certainly difficult to re-fit due to the additional tape but movement has been significantly reduced. However, rattle still occurred.

- Unknown sensor in opposite side windshield vent grille. This grille didn't exhibit the same range of movement as the other side so i left it alone. I popped out the sensor (don't know what it is but it's similar to the sunload sensor, except with 2 wires only) and wrapped it with felt tape also. It was a very snug fit to re-install the sensor.

- Rear rattle/squeak was eliminated by applying tape generously to the tonneau cover mounting points on BOTH sides (ie. the interior trim side, plus the 'male' ends of the detachable tonneau curtain). It's ugly but it works.

- Stereo/ignition button/central vent fascia. This thing sounded like it was made of lego. It squeaked and creaked like a mofo when twisted gently side by side or even carrying it around. The screws holding various components were already quite tight and additional torque did not produce significant results. Please note that depending on your model, the components on your fascia may vary. In Australia, we all get the nav package so there is a set of controls and a dial directly beneath the screen. A bunch of philips screws secure the pair of central vents, the nav control panel, and the trim surrounding the LCD screen.

I wrapped the entire outer edge of the nav control panel, along with the troughs where the retaining clips latch onto, just for good measure. We all know two glossy plastic surfaces will squeak when rubbed together. Panel was reinstalled and additional tape was applied where necessary until all squeaks when twisting the entire fascia were gone. Very tight fit.

For each of the central vents, i applied felt tape to one side of the contact areas where the screws go through. The upper one i wrapped the U shaped side (detachable vent side). The lower one i just applied it to the fascia side. On the inner edge of the detachable vents, there are two 'legs' that rest on slightly elevated sections of the fascia. These were squeaky when provoked so i applied tape to the elevated sections.

Foam surrounding the mating area of the central vents was a bit torn off in some sections so i used double sided tape to re-attach it. I applied felt tape to the duct mouths where these vents mate, for good measure.

I am currently driving without the stereo trim (it's ugly and gf won't stop complaining about it) and i won't reinstall til i've killed the rattle. The fewer variables you have, the easier it will be to isolate the origin.

My next suspects are:
- Aspirator to rubber hose junction. This junction pipe seems to be very loose and can cause the hollow rattling sound. Seems weird that there is only one plastic post to hold it in place. The other side has a hole... potentially for a screw? But there doesn't appear to have ever been a screw. Might tape this one down with duct tape or something and give it another test. It's high on my list because it's about as close as you can get to the heated air outlet and my rattling seems to disappear once the car has been driven for 10mins approx. This junction appears to be pivoted by the single plastic post and 'secured' by way of a pliable adhesive material around the union. I say pliable because you can wiggle and see the clear adhesive give, but it has a decent amount of resistance to prevent removal/accidental dislodging.

- Wrap and tape down the air mix door/mode door motor wiring to the side of the HVAC unit to eliminate movement.

- Something loose INSIDE the HVAC unit....

- Something i can't see that will require complete dash removal..

- Give up and turn the stereo up :|

juld0zer 04-05-2013 10:40 AM

OK folks,
It's been a couple of days now and i think it's all good so i can finally conclude this rattle hunt.

Note that this worked for me but may not work for you. Take the time to read the areas i have examined and check all possible sources one by one.

It was the damn HVAC aspirator junction. The rubber hose with the U bend weighs more than the aspirator itself. It also extends a good 5-7cm from the aspirator. Additional weight, plus the distance from the pivot (aspirator junction) magnifies the slightest wobble or vibration into a significant one.

Solution? Tape the hose down to the body of the HVAC unit. You can use some good electrical tape (i used some 3M stuff i had in the car) or duct tape. I will source some high-temp tape to make it a more permanent solution as it's near the heater pipes and also subject to temperature fluctuations (eg. if you turn the heater on). The adhesive of electrical/duct tape may not hold securely in the long run when subjected to temperature cycling.

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NB, I am from Australia so this was on the driver's side (right hand side). I believe on the LHD models, the aspirator will be on your driver's side. Locate the small grille near your right knee and look under, follow hose.

Let me know how you guys go with this :) I'd like to hear.

juld0zer 04-30-2013 11:43 PM

It's been a while since i've updated this but a few more rattles have emerged.

All edges of the lower steering column cover have been covered with the felt tape. Likewise for the arches for the indicator/wiper stalks. Screws done up extra tight.

I still had an intermittent hollow tapping/rattling noise which i thought was coming from inside the cabin but no amount of pounding and thumping could reproduce it.
Turns out it was the cowl cover (the black plastic covers at the bottom of the windscreen). Sections of it had a larger gap between the windscreen and tapping these sections reproduced the noise exactly. The windscreen vibrates a LOT, which is very surprising.

To begin the repair, i cleaned off all the accumulated gunk on the lower edge of the windscreen (and all the area underneath the cowl while i was at it).
I bought some 10mm wide, 3mm thick self adhesive neoprene and stuck it to the bottom edge of the windscreen. The cowl covers were then reinstalled. They were very difficult to reinstall and required some heavy force to put it all back together. I imagine you'd achieve satisfactory results using 2mm thick neoprene but the shop only had 3mm. 3mm is definitely too thick.

This hollow rattle has been completely eliminated :) at last!!

I also applied a piece of neoprene to the lower corner of the inside of the windscreen near where the A pillar cover meets. There's a gap there and the cover can rattle against the glass.

The next frontier to conquer will be the sunvisor which has a constant creaking squeaking noise. Tempted to just remove it completely but i will look into less destructive remedies first.


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