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MYZ34 11-22-2009 06:09 AM

Upgrading brakes
 
hey all

just wanted to see what BBK option you would choose to go? for myself i will be mostly driving the Z as my daily, but it will have a few good track days per year so i have been looking at upgrading to one of thefollowing.

- Ap racing (14.25f x 6 pot)(13" x 4 pot)
- Brembo (15"f x 6 pot)(14"r x 4 pot)
- Stop tech (15"f x 6 pot)(14"r x 4 pot)

let us know what you would go for.

MYZ34 11-22-2009 06:10 AM

tried to do as a poll but stuffed it up:confused:

bezzita 11-22-2009 04:51 PM

I would go with Stoptech bcoz it's much cheaper than Brembo and 15" front looks much better than 14.25" AP Racing...., however .... you must get 19" wheels... cant use stock 18"....!

MYZ34 11-23-2009 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bezzita (Post 291957)
I would go with Stoptech bcoz it's much cheaper than Brembo and 15" front looks much better than 14.25" AP Racing...., however .... you must get 19" wheels... cant use stock 18"....!

yeah my thoughts the same, i have 3 piece 20" wheels coming, so definatly going either brembo/stop tech

bezzita 11-23-2009 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 292426)
yeah my thoughts the same, i have 3 piece 20" wheels coming, so definatly going either brembo/stop tech

If you decided to buy..., let me know.... I am still thinking to get it.... we might save $$$ on shipping :ugh2: :icon17:

ChrisSlicks 11-23-2009 11:08 AM

You can't use the Stoptech 15" 6-pot kit with the 18" wheels either. The only kit that works with 18" is the AP Racing 14.25" kit and the Brembo "caliper upgrade" (uses stock rotors).

MYZ34 11-23-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 292674)
You can't use the Stoptech 15" 6-pot kit with the 18" wheels either. The only kit that works with 18" is the AP Racing 14.25" kit and the Brembo "caliper upgrade" (uses stock rotors).

hey mate, yeah thats why i have 20" wheels going on. and brembo dont just make a caliper "only" option, they have a complete front and rear bbk option:tup:

Togo 11-23-2009 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 293402)
hey mate, yeah thats why i have 20" wheels going on. and brembo dont just make a caliper "only" option, they have a complete front and rear bbk option:tup:

Yes Brembo makes a full BBK kit, but Chris was saying that only the stock rotors with a Brembo Caliper upgrade will work with 18" wheels.. the 15" rotors from Brembo in their BBK will NOT work with 18" wheels..

Mike 11-23-2009 10:11 PM

the brembo caliper only upgrade does not work with my 18" 350Z track rays wheels. I had to grind on them to make them fit.

Gary_C 11-23-2009 10:55 PM

Brembo now offers a 355x32mm Lightweight 6-piston Monobloc brake kit.

It has the same caliper overhang and overall diameter as out caliper upgrade with OEM discs.

If the caliper upgrade fits a particular wheel,...so will our complete 14" brake system...6-piston Monobloc calipers, 14" (355mm) 2pc. fully floating lightweight discs, Ferodo pads, Goodridge braided lines.


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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 292674)
You can't use the Stoptech 15" 6-pot kit with the 18" wheels either. The only kit that works with 18" is the AP Racing 14.25" kit and the Brembo "caliper upgrade" (uses stock rotors).


MYZ34 11-24-2009 06:42 AM

i think its better to upgrade wheel size and be able to put the complete BBK on eg 15"f and 14"r:happydance:

ChrisSlicks 11-24-2009 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 293796)
i think its better to upgrade wheel size and be able to put the complete BBK on eg 15"f and 14"r:happydance:

If you only want to drive on street tires sure. Your tire choices are extremely limited in the 19" size, and almost non-existent in the 20" sizes.

Gary_C 11-24-2009 09:34 AM

I agree with Chris.
We developed the 14" (355mm) Front system in order to increase the number of available 18" wheel options for serious track go'ers. "R" compound rubber is much more available, and also less expensive, in 18" diameters.

For those who do want to utilize the larger 15" (380mm) front kit...there are a few 18" wheel options that I know have the ability to accept the larger brake system, so you will have to plan accordingly.

It's the old adage "what comes first, the chicken or the egg?".

MYZ34 11-24-2009 10:17 PM

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guy's i've decided on the brembo BBK front and rear just tossing up now which way to go regarding their rotors. either all drilled or all slotted. i will be tracking my car a few times a year but mostly will be my daily, what do you guys think?

Gee 11-24-2009 10:22 PM

Gary C
"It's the old adage "what comes first, the chicken or the egg?"."


Complete OT, but to an evolutiuonary biologist this is an easy Q and has been answered years ago. The egg came first.

But who laid the egg, I hear you scream, well, it was a creature almost like a chicken but not quite, whose egg had a slight genetic change to produce the "first chicken"

I'm sorry but thats the answer and its been proven. The egg came first. Build a bridge and get over it.

G

MYZ34 11-25-2009 06:08 AM

:eekdance:come on guys i need your help in deciding slotted vs drilled......who's had them before? that give good or bad points

Gary_C 11-25-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 295085)
:eekdance:come on guys i need your help in deciding slotted vs drilled......who's had them before? that give good or bad points

Based on the quality and durability of the Brembo discs you can pretty much go either way. (I know, this doesn't answer your question at all...keep reading)

We generally recommend slotted discs for anyone who will be tracking their car. The slots on the disc will refresh the pad surface for better initial bite, and will also allow the disc to maintain more consistent operating temperatures which increase disc life during consistent lapping.

A drilled disc will be about an additional 1/2 pound lighter, and will offer a slight advantage towards cooling. This is a major benefit on the street, but can increase the intensity of the heat cycles during tracking.

You really need to decide where you want the most benefit.

With a drilled disc at the track you will want to limit your pad options and not run anything with to great of a coefficient of friction. With a slotted disc on the street you will wear through pads a bit sooner (maybe 10% less life, nothing too horrible) and create more brake dust for your wheels.

If your goal one day is to be able to run "R" compound tires, and consistently focus on reducing your lap times and be competitive with other cars in your run group then you'll want to choose slotted discs. If you will be doing HPDE's to become more comfortable with your cars capabilities, have fun, and drive to and from the track with the same vehicle setup, drilled rotors and a mid grade pad will be the perfect option. I can work with you on pad compounds to suit the brake kit you decide to go with, and match your intended driving style and use.

MYZ34 11-25-2009 10:09 AM

mate, thanks for your help, yeah the car will be my daily year round with maybe 3 track days per year... so i was thinking the same way as in going drilled rotors. that way in a couple of years etc if i really want to up track time i can just switch to some slotted's:tiphat:





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Originally Posted by Gary_C (Post 295293)
Based on the quality and durability of the Brembo discs you can pretty much go either way. (I know, this doesn't answer your question at all...keep reading)

We generally recommend slotted discs for anyone who will be tracking their car. The slots on the disc will refresh the pad surface for better initial bite, and will also allow the disc to maintain more consistent operating temperatures which increase disc life during consistent lapping.

A drilled disc will be about an additional 1/2 pound lighter, and will offer a slight advantage towards cooling. This is a major benefit on the street, but can increase the intensity of the heat cycles during tracking.

You really need to decide where you want the most benefit.

With a drilled disc at the track you will want to limit your pad options and not run anything with to great of a coefficient of friction. With a slotted disc on the street you will wear through pads a bit sooner (maybe 10% less life, nothing too horrible) and create more brake dust for your wheels.

If your goal one day is to be able to run "R" compound tires, and consistently focus on reducing your lap times and be competitive with other cars in your run group then you'll want to choose slotted discs. If you will be doing HPDE's to become more comfortable with your cars capabilities, have fun, and drive to and from the track with the same vehicle setup, drilled rotors and a mid grade pad will be the perfect option. I can work with you on pad compounds to suit the brake kit you decide to go with, and match your intended driving style and use.


ChrisSlicks 11-25-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 295340)
mate, thanks for your help, yeah the car will be my daily year round with maybe 3 track days per year... so i was thinking the same way as in going drilled rotors. that way in a couple of years etc if i really want to up track time i can just switch to some slotted's:tiphat:

Drilling rotors on the street are for the posers.
:twocents: :p

MYZ34 11-25-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 295381)
Drilling rotors on the street are for the posers.
:twocents: :p

its a little bit different when the cross drilled rotors are brembos, as they are known for not cracking anywhere near what other inferior brands do

ChrisSlicks 11-26-2009 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34 (Post 296081)
its a little bit different when the cross drilled rotors are brembos, as they are known for not cracking anywhere near what other inferior brands do

Yes they will hold up better than the cheap brands no doubt. I don't like them on the street as they tend to be noisy, and on the track they don't last as long as their slotted counterparts. But each to their own, I won't judge you ;)


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