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Tribalpinoy91 05-13-2013 11:47 AM

Parking break bypass. No relay, No switch
 
Just installed the 4400 pioneer thinking that I could just not connect the parking break wire and think that would solve the video while in motion restriction. (I was wrong, very new to this audio scene)

So now upon searching and watching various videos about switches and relays, I came across this "ebay parking break bypass kit" claiming all you need to do is splice a few wires no relay no switch etc which is quite the opposite to what I have just read.

Here are the instructions and product:

Pioneer Parking Brake Auto Override Bypass AVH P4400BH AVHP4400BH New Models | eBay

Simple 5 Minute Installation Instructions Easy as 1, 2, 3!
1. Connect BLACK wire on module to radios black wire (radio ground wire(-))
2. Connect GREEN wire on module to radios light green wire (parking brake wire(-))
*DO NOT connect ANY WIRES to vehicles parking brake wire*
3. Connect BLUE wire on module to radios blue/white wire (remote amp turn on(+)
*will not interfere with amplifiers connected to this lead*

SouthArk370Z 05-13-2013 11:55 AM

It appears that it is a solid-state switch which is activated by the radios remote amp output. Replaces parking brake switch instead of hacking the wiring. But I'm just going by the description and instructions so I may be way off base.

logenl7 05-13-2013 12:06 PM

That being said, it still mimics a relay or a bypass.. I used the same type thing.. using the same wires and set-up... Mine just had a relay box that I stuffed behind the head unit, I assume yours will as well :)

Cbtech 05-13-2013 12:17 PM

This will do the same thing even though it doesnt specifically state your model.

speedracer007 05-13-2013 12:38 PM

I bought one of these for my Pioneer 2500BT. (Different model, but looks the same). Simple 3 wire splicing -- works as advertised. Well worth the $10 in my opinion.

Tribalpinoy91 05-13-2013 01:25 PM

So just literally following those "4 simple steps?

bigaudiofanat 05-14-2013 07:41 AM

I've been using these in my installs for a few years now, I love them. So simple and saves time as well. I recommend them.

kenchan 05-14-2013 08:49 AM

im using one on my dd since i watch dvd's often while waiting for my kids. it's a nice thing to have.

you can do the same manually using a SPST ON/OFF switch.

JARblue 05-14-2013 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2314903)
you can do the same manually using a SPST ON/OFF switch.

:iagree: and since it's technically illegal to operate the video function while driving, I prefer to use a switch.

Tribalpinoy91 05-14-2013 07:55 PM

I like the ability to be able to mess with the navigation whilst moving, along with videos for passenger viewing etc

blackcherry20 05-14-2013 08:03 PM

Parking break wire to ground is what hubby did (off the adapter harness). Wire is lt green and really long. Dvd works fine without brake engaged.

Fountainhead 05-14-2013 08:36 PM

You really ought to Google the radio model number for parking brake bypass, many modern aftermarkets have a secret setting for when the radios are in the store displays, buyers can watch videos without having to ground the parking wire (some have a sequence for parking brake, etc.).

kenchan 05-14-2013 09:45 PM

you mean DEMO mode? :ugh2:

Tribalpinoy91 05-14-2013 09:54 PM

I think you mean parking break detection wire coming from receiver connected to parking brake switch ( a little module under parking break lever)

Or if I'm mistaken, then you mean to say parking break detection wire connected to black ground bypasses?

I'm not sure i see what you're saying...

Nonetheless I bought the little $10 bypass kit from ebay that uses a relay the size of a penny that needs no outside connections, i.e just connect black, green and blue wires directly to radio harness. The point of the relay to my knowledge is to delay timing just enough to trick the receiver.

bigaudiofanat 05-15-2013 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 2316040)
Parking break wire to ground is what hubby did (off the adapter harness). Wire is lt green and really long. Dvd works fine without brake engaged.

Kenwood and a few others are the only ones you can still do that with, as far as alpine, pioneer and others you have to have a bypass switch or module.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fountainhead (Post 2316086)
You really ought to Google the radio model number for parking brake bypass, many modern aftermarkets have a secret setting for when the radios are in the store displays, buyers can watch videos without having to ground the parking wire (some have a sequence for parking brake, etc.).

Jensen and other cheaper brands have this but you are correct, higher end models do not have secret menus for video bypassing.

blackcherry20 05-15-2013 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 2316542)
Kenwood and a few others are the only ones you can still do that with, as far as alpine, pioneer and others you have to have a bypass switch or module.

Jensen and other cheaper brands have this but you are correct, higher end models do not have secret menus for video bypassing.

Mine is workign without an additional bypass harness...hubby is an aircraft mech...he wired it and it works :tup:

JARblue 05-15-2013 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 2316552)
Mine is workign without an additional bypass harness...hubby is an aircraft mech...he wired it and it works :tup:

She has a Pioneer HU :tiphat:

bigaudiofanat 05-15-2013 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2316555)
She has a Pioneer HU :tiphat:

Than he used a relay.

speedracer007 05-15-2013 06:47 PM

For me, the $10 was too cheap to try to do something on my own. Spliced in the 3 wires at the same time I was splicing everything else and I was done. Have not even tried it for the dvd function, but it has come in handy a few times when I needed to dial a number and wanted to use the touchscreen ( from what I read, that is another function that is locked out on the Pioneer units unless you bypass)

H2O_Doc 05-17-2013 09:35 PM

I bought from the guy referenced by the OP. nice guy, helpful, and his bypass worked for my appradio.

Tribalpinoy91 05-18-2013 10:45 AM

Glad to help, you see every once in awhile its good to have a thread on a topic that has been previously discussed...this little nick nack is one that hasn't been brought up in the past.

Enjoy!

Tribalpinoy91 05-19-2013 03:53 PM

Instead of making a new thread, I figured I'd just ask it here.. I'm looking to return my 4400bh and purchase the x4500bt.

The difference being is that the x4500bt is 800x480 WVGA a higher and more HD looking picture. Also has advanced app mode which increases functionality of apps and quantity of apps between receiver and phone. The only downside to the x4500bt is that It does no have HD radio built in.

Thoughts?

Cbtech 05-19-2013 04:33 PM

for me HD Radio is not really needed. with this particular stereo I use the Bluetooth audio or the USB. the only time I ever use the radio is if I'm listening to NPR which you don't need high quality sound for.

Tribalpinoy91 05-19-2013 04:37 PM

Yeah, my car is mostly driven in the middle of nowhere country town so theres only 1 HD radio station nearby so forget HD radio.

But more importantly I bought a microbypass for the 4400bh already, can I use the same one for the x4500bt?

Bypass kit 4400bh=$9.99 on ebay
Bypass kit x4500bt=$19.99 on ebay (same seller)

Are they interchangleable or does a different relay being used? hence the price difference?

Cbtech 05-19-2013 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91 (Post 2322768)
Yeah, my car is mostly driven in the middle of nowhere country town so theres only 1 HD radio station nearby so forget HD radio.

But more importantly I bought a microbypass for the 4400bh already, can I use the same one for the x4500bt?

Bypass kit 4400bh=$9.99 on ebay
Bypass kit x4500bt=$19.99 on ebay (same seller)

Are they interchangleable or does a different relay being used? hence the price difference?

Yes, the one I showed you in an earlier post will work. They are the same.

Tribalpinoy91 05-20-2013 12:06 AM

I read on another forum that new pioneers use a "double pulse" for the parking brake wire that eliminates lag time. So the traditional microbypass will not work..

Anyone care to confirm or deny this?

Cbtech 05-20-2013 08:10 PM

I would say spend the $10 to try the bypass. Unless you are ridiculously meticulous you are going to be taking the dash and deck out several times to make tweaks. JMO

blackcherry20 05-20-2013 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91 (Post 2323336)
I read on another forum that new pioneers use a "double pulse" for the parking brake wire that eliminates lag time. So the traditional microbypass will not work..

Anyone care to confirm or deny this?

I think that is correct. Parking brake on, then off, then on will allow dvd player to work. So a simple on/off relay will not work.

Read the video screen when it comes up. It tells you what to do.

bigaudiofanat 05-20-2013 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcherry20 (Post 2324906)
I think that is correct. Parking brake on, then off, then on will allow dvd player to work. So a simple on/off relay will not work.

Read the video screen when it comes up. It tells you what to do.

You would have to time your turn on and off switch just right to get it working, where as you can just use the micro bypass and let it do the work for ya.

Tribalpinoy91 05-20-2013 08:32 PM

I ordered the $20 dollar bypass that is specific for this model vs the $10 one I already bought for the 4400bh.

I plan on doing the install of the x4500bt in a few days when it arrives and this "New" bypass that has some double pulse bypass technology..


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