Av Navigation unit 09. 8 pin what is it for?Any Help? Thanks!
 

Hi everyone !
I recently purchased a 2009 navigation system.
Now i am trying to figure out where the cables connect to because mine didn't come with a navigation system.
I have the 28185-1AN08 Unit the weird part is i cant find any manuals that include that 8 pin plug i figure out the others 12 pin to monitor the 21 pin to the bose system,btw i have a bose system, and the 3 pin to antenna i even know that the old Ac Units talks directly and the navi one through CAN bus i kinda figure everything out though the 2009 Av Manual .I really cant figure out that 8 pin connector i guess it has to be the CAN bus pins witch i need to make it talk to the ASSY NAVI CONTROLLER and the AC unit all other connectors doesn't Include CAN bus as far as the manual goes :/ here some pics of the unit
Any Help would be really appreciated!!!!

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ps. I am pretty sure it was from a Nissan 370z and from Germany although the part number seems to be from Infinity or Murano even these manuals dont include that pic or cant find it where ..

i'ts my understanding that you can't retrofit a nav system to a base non-nav car, unless you'll get new wireharnesses for dash...ect and proabaly new ECU. if you can manage to do this without all of the above then you'll be the first (as far as i know)

You can get an aftermarket HU with nav for cheaper than it will cost to install that OEM nav into your non-touring car. Plus the OEM nav sucks.

Thanks for the replies
You mean it cant be done because it is a 09 Navigation and trying to install on a 2011 roadster model ? or in generally is it impossible to install it ?
Well i have ripped my interior apart searching for the assy controller module the thing that has the navigation software dvd, some say the base bose bluetooth module should be behind the passenger seat, i ripped it apart and find only the bose system amp :/
I connect everything with the help of the service manual diagrams and it seems to start
up,theoretically it should work the Ac unit needs the the Can bus ecu wich all pins are the same except its can bus driven not direct as the old one . i got to a point where all works but the display lights up only not showing anything :( so my guess is either i screwed up the wiring or as you said it cant get feed from another ecu even though it has nothing to do with the ecu it connects the component to each other through Can Bus so i dont think the ecu is relevant according to the diagram, my worries are that the Service manual book from a 2009 model wont show what the 8 pin connector behind the Av Control unit is and shows that the 12 pin is the display connector as i connected to the display. Now i found this guys walk though where he shows what the pins are in a picture showing the 8 pin is the audio inputs and the Can Bus that i am looking for ,but the 12 pin showing it as completely something else as the service manual describes no what is right what is wrong ??? :(

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ps:JarBlue Thanks for the tip and dont get me wrong but when i ask for help about a factory navigation system it is because i need help with this certain matter not tips about other ideas what i could do, it may suck in software and i know i could get a better even android one but for less cheaper but the design of the factory one is nothing in compare with any other 2 din display and many people searching desperately for answers like me finding only post on how to install and answers of buying aftermarket it is really frustrating :)So Please dont be mad just saying politely, please stop posting about aftermarket stuff i dont care! Only Oem answer that might give some light in this matter :)
Thanks

Just for info Scope22 seems to be right i gave it a try and every time i connect the Can bus to the main car system all my instruments shutting down ..... :/ in order to prevent any screw ups that will eventually cost me a lot more ,i gave up this dream :(
So i am currently working on another solution and try to retain the OEM design .
I will create a new Raspberry pi 3 mini pc with a 7 inch Raspberry Touchscreen Display mounted as the OEM Display and try to rewire all the main Multi switch Buttons as new controls to the Raspberry like press nav open Navigation app and so on with some cool extensions like external Hdd for more capacity and be able through Wifi to load new stuff into the car system,Gps Module for Navigation system ,Rear Camera , Simply hook the sound output to the Aux of my Base Bose system.
Recreate the original display panel to make it fit onto the base panel and thats it! :)
Ill try to make a step by step tutorial once im done for anyone interested on something like this to recreate it.

Please try reading my post and not putting words in my mouth next time. I never suggested that you put in an aftermarket HU. I simply pointed out that because you are trying to install OEM Nav in a non-touring car, it will cost you more than buying and installing an aftermarket HU. As an additional point I noted that the OEM Nav sucks. Because it does. I never compared it to aftermarket or said you should get aftermarket. But the cost-benefit analysis for what you are asking to do does not make sense. That's all I was trying to convey with my post.

It appears you have now figured this out. Good luck with whatever direction you choose to take.

The only way you're going to get tht to work is to cut and splice in a new harness that changes things to the correct harnesses as well as you'd need the bose speakers and the bose amp. It's not worth it.

You mean something like this? :)

http://www.the370z.com/members/scope...4-09-55-56.jpg

So i took out my nav system from my 2010, it looks totally different from yours, given yours is 2009. But the fact that i took my system out and replaced it with a tablet should tell you that you're probably doing it backwards, sure you get a nice OEM look but functionality just doesn't even come close to a tablet with all the apps you can get.

http://www.the370z.com/members/scope...6-12-32-01.jpg

Excuse me!!!

OP, you do not have an 09, no CF card reader.

Yea that is right, 09 has a card reader

Yeah something like this but it would be nice to keep the original look like it a lot :)
Really guys i don't know what the hell it is as a Nissan part it comes up as Murano or infinity not for 370z ,this guy i bought it from said it was from a crashed 370z
I really don't know what to think about it :/

Sounds like he lied to you...sorry

Damn That little B****... Ill give a call nissan tomorrow just to be 100% sure its from another vehicle if they confirm ill sue his A*** if he doesn't take it back.
Btw Does anyone have a spare Display dash panel with the multi switch for sale ?
I am looking for one and cant find anywhere :/

Post in "parts for sale" section with WTB tag.

I know I’m a little late to the game but I’ll bet that plug is for the GPS Antenna. The GPS antenna in not the one on the roof (or the trunk for roadsters) it is in the dash. Here is my response to another guy when asking about trying to install a factory nav system in a non-nav.

Hi Vabam no your not to late that idiot wont take it back and he insist that its from a 370z i have the gps antenna and everything else as well, i cant find the wiring diagrams for my specific parts,all i got seems to be from a 2009 but doesn't include the one connector i am wondering what the hell it is even from the manual book the one connector shown as the displays connector in some other German forums they say the small one is the can bus plug and the one shown in the manual as display plug he describes it as totally something else that is what drives me crazy i cant find anywhere the manual for my parts :/
I know i have to rewire everything i recreated the whole cable wiring it all seem to work but as soon as i connect the ones that the German forum describes to be the canbus pins high and low to the ones on my ECU all dash instruments die, shut down completely so i am wondering either the ecu is not compatible wich is a question even nissan here cant answer me 100% ,they think the ecu might not be compatible ,or those are not the pins i was supposed to connect as can bus to the ecu ,either way i gave it up for now couse i dont know 100% what is what and dont wanna screw something up on my car :/ so any further infos regarding this matter would be helpful to me and i guess to many others trying to figure out the same thing as me :/

I'll take a look at the FSM soon but I'm sticking by my original comments. The NAV system requires a different harness and IMO you can’t splice or adapt the Non-NAV wiring harness to work with the NAV system. One thing is for certain the HU you have is not a 2009. I’m betting 2013 or newer at this point due to the extra piece of equipment you have that I’ve never seen before; bottom pic, look like a DVD/CD drive. I noticed that you are in Germany; Europe might have gotten a different system than us here in the USA at some point after 09. Every one had the same NAV system in 09 which had the CF card reader on the front. Do you have the Germany/Europe FSM (Fleet Service Manual)?

Maybe it is the reason that mines somehow different ,i saw in a British forum a guy says he has the 2009 and it looks exactly like mine ill add the link dont know if i am allowed
Reverse Camera + iPod control on 370z without Connect Premium? - I.C.E & electronics - 350Z & 370Z UK/
And he has the exact OEM part number as mine so it should be from a european 2009 maybe Us version had other systems .when u say nothing fits yes i know ,only the power harness fits the one that goes to the bose amp and speakers ,the biggest problem is the AC unit that communicates through canbus and not direct as it does right now without navigation models . here some more pics of my parts maybe they it helps .
Thanks for the Help!!!
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I’m not seeing your pics and attachment. To be honest unless I have the 2011 FSM and 2009 FSM for the Euro spec Zs I’m not going to be much help. The US 2009 Nav system has fewer parts so less connections and so on. One problem that me and few others are having is the rear defroster not working after the conversion. I literally just found this a few hours ago; with the US spec NAV system the rear defroster is turned on by the head unit (AV Contoll unit) and on the Non-NAV it’s turned on by the AC Auto Amp (WTF Nissan). I’m working on a solution for that as we speak.

My guess is that the 2009 Nav units were borrowed from another Nissan (or Infiniti) vehicle and cobbled to fit in with the Z. I can't see how that would be any better or cheaper for Nissan, because of the harnesses, but I'm no car designer. YMMV

i am searching everywhere to find it with no luck :/ im trying to figure every pin out with an oscilloscope right now so far the can bus are correct :/ the weird part is why they instruments shut down after i connect it to the main car canbus flow the ac harness on my and the navigation model are the same as far as i can see the diagrams only it connects through pin 1-2 for can bus and u just unplug the 6-7 or something that where used to communicate direct , arent needed . ill try to contact nissan for the manual book even though i doubt they would give them out so easily :/
The defroster is not that important as to make it work first :P but thanks for the notice and the great help your giving me :)
Btw do have any tuts from anyone thats has pulled it off ?

Southark you might be right btw couse when i google my oem part numbers they come up as Murano or infinity, so Nissan might had gone down this road but the weird part is i already looked up theyre manuals and still not same as mine :/

ok update
So i got a complete harness for the navigation and i managed to plug it all correctly and start up the navigation outside the vehicle, the problem i am facing now is the Green boxed message "Secure" apearing on the screen i can get in the info menus but not more
As far as i know the unit has to be reprogram to my cars anti theft system with a new code now i recognizes its from another car with wrong code..
I called more than 10 nissan Dealers and none had a clue on what it has to be done :/
they all told me to go by and have it checked but i am not on mood to give another 500 euros or so just to check for something that might not work at all!
So does anyone know if it simply need to be reprogrammed to my vehicles anti theft system or to completely remove the code validation within the navigation unit ?
Thanks ! :)

The system is deeply programmed to work and communicate with your vehicle, lights, climate control, radio and so on. I believe what you're seeing is it's locking down from not talking to the car. But once again you're going to need not only the harnesses but the bose amps and speakers to get everything to work. It's really not worth the work to put it in and what you gain.

Hi. I went to Nissan and they told me it has to get reseted by Clarion theyl have to send it to them and they gonna set it back to New so once i connect it to my cars can bus it will take the code from my ecu and be recognized and mine .it stores the Navigations Code and Vin number inside the eeprom and it binds together with that certain vehicle once first ignition is turned on. My car has already a BOSE system and amp i made my self a harness cable from the one i bought the navigation and everything works now ill have to pay around 200euros to clarion to set it back or try to hack it my self by reading the navigations eeprom then my factory radion and rewrite the code of my ecu to the navigation i will let you know if the experiment work and how you could do it your self if needed :)

By passing the stock 2009 navigation system
 

Does anyone know what color is the speed and brake wire? Wanna by pass the stock 2009 Navigation. I been looking online and coundn't find anything.

Have to give you a little grief on this post. It is a little off topic for this thread. If you have a question, start a new thread please. :tup:

FYI I have responded to your PM.

Hi simon I have got similary problem but I need change my us spec HU on EU spec navi when I put to car used EU Hu after one minute is secure... Can You may help me something...? I lost many time to find security anty thef but no succes yet :(

simos please contact With me if possible or request to You give me @ ,skype or phone I need contact to do my nav or contact to clarion becouse i cant find nothing who can help me