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-   -   TSB for oil consumption on the VQ37VHR. (http://www.the370z.com/370z-technical-service-bulletins-tsb-recalls/24792-tsb-oil-consumption-vq37vhr.html)

antennahead 11-27-2010 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 823757)
^^In your owners manual it states for the owner to check their own oil levels.

Now if you are having the car regulary maintained by the dealership as in taking it to them when the mfg suggests in the owners manual to change the oil and IF the dealer takes an oil reading before the oil change and notices it low on oil then YES it's their responsibilty to inform you of low oil and they will normally check to see if there are any recalls or TSB's. If they check for a TSB, then they should inform you that the car meets the criteria for them to start the oil consumption test.

I would suggest taking a copy of the TSB with you to the dealer if you have any suspicions of excessive oil consumption. I would also suggest that you check the oil on a regular basis (every two weeks or every 500 miles) and keep a log or on post-it notes.

The car with 347 miles on the engine will consume some oil as the engine is breaking in. The ticking sound, I would be concerned with it and report it to the dealer. It's possible the car did not come out of the factory filled with Nissan's esther oil and the dealer may suggest running esther to see if the ticking sound continues. Note there are alternate oil that have the same additive package in their oils as Nissan's esther oil and at a much lowercost.


I ran Penzoil Platinum (which is synthetic) during my break in and changed the oil several times through out the first 1200 miles.There is allot of assembly lubes in a new engine that need to be cleaned out hence the cheap PP oil and several short run oil changes. There after find a good oil to run and remember a Used Oil Anaylisis is your best friend, they run between $60 and $129 for some peace of mind. Some here have been using Red Line synth oil as their everyday oil to run. I cannot vouch for Red Line with the 370Z, but they did not fare to well on the 350Z VDQE engine. Nuf said there as that statement will probably raise some controversy. The point is that you need to find the best oil with your type of driving as in daily driving, track, spirited driving and your geographical location makes a difference in the oil. Point is, you will never know until you do your own used oil analysis as all cars are not created equal and what works in Johnnies car on the other side of the USA will not have the same results with yours being the type of driving you do and your location.

I said enough, and I am just enjoying my 370Z and really do not want to venture down again on the Oil Consumption Road. I will still subscribe to this thread maybe just to offer some experience with the oil consumption we had with my brothers revup 2006 350Z. His was one of the first to have his engine swapped back in the day. Everyone here is familiar with the longest thread going on My350Z dealing NNA and the infamous oil consumption. I have posted earlier in this thread another link from My350Z on Oil by member "Resolute". Very good reading there if you want to know more on oil.

I have said it before and will again, there should be another new thread opened up by a member here (not from G37) to be able to update the first post from time to time. This threads first post is already outdated showing the TSB for the G37 when the 370Z TSB has been out since June 30, 2010.

Cheers ZForce aka ZeeForce
Curtis


:hello: :tiphat:

Bheaton1 11-28-2010 10:04 AM
Thanks for the responses..... I did have a chance to check my oil yesterday and it was about 3/4 the way up between the low and the high. This is the first time I checked the oil. When I started the car yesterday the ticking noise was not there. However after driving and retuning to the garage (10 mile trip) the ticking noise returned. If the widows are up I cannot hear the noise. I can only hear it with the windows down. It seams to be located on the drivers side. Could this noise possibly be normal? I have an "88" Fiero that has the same ticking noise.

BTW, my original question had nothing to do with who was responsible for checking the oil. I understand this resides with me. I feel that the dealer should share the information about the TSB or a recall (if they exist) when someone purchase a car that could fall within certain date and VIN parameters.

cab83_750 11-28-2010 03:03 PM
Bheaton1,

as others have said, your car isnprobably still in 'break in' mode. However, continue checking. U said you are 3/4 up (I.e., you used half a quart of oil on <400miles). If this continues after break-in, you may want to take it in.

nextbesthing 12-29-2010 09:37 PM
Having my short block replaced next week :/

Ron 01-15-2011 04:12 PM
any TSB for the '11s?

ZeeingAround 01-15-2011 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nextbesthing (Post 871782)
Having my short block replaced next week :/
How did the block replacement go?

Vbp6US 05-26-2012 02:50 AM
Anyone else get good results? How do you prove this to the dealership?

fuzzywuzzy 05-26-2012 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Vbp6US (Post 1738145)
Anyone else get good results? How do you prove this to the dealership?


The thread is a year and a half old.

6MT 05-26-2012 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzywuzzy (Post 1738195)
The thread is a year and a half old.
So what?

PapoZalsa 05-28-2012 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vbp6US (Post 1738145)
Anyone else get good results? How do you prove this to the dealership?
They have to place your car on a "oil consumption list". When you take your car to do the complaint be sure the engine has burned 1/4 oil or more within your last oil change.

Then if that is the case they will monitor every 1,000 miles, if the engine burn 1/4 oil three consecutives times (every 1,000 miles) then they are "supposed" to replaced the engine by the TSB.

At least that is what the TSB for the 350Zs said, I have not read for 370Z 2009 to 2012. GL

cheshirecat 05-29-2012 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 1741408)
At least that is what the TSB for the 350Zs said, I have not read for 370Z 2009 to 2012. GL
The TSB for the 350 basically said the same thing as the 370.

The oil loss is measured in MM by the amount of miles on the car since the last dealer oil change. The engine does not need to fail multiple times.

Japanjay 09-06-2012 12:39 AM
My car failed today actually. Was 15mm low in the first column on the graph, the 1001-1500 mile range. Passing would have been 9mm or less. The test is six measurements:

1001-1500
1501-2000
2001-2500
2501-3000
3001-3500
3500-3750

Pass the first, goes to the secfond till you pass them all. Test over. Fail the first, test over. Make it to the thrid then fail, test over.

I am actually going back at the 1500-2000 mark to let the senior master tech/ service manager witness the test since he wont be back till this saturday. He is down in Cali doing a nissan multi-day seminar on the new 2013's coming out. Another master tech and a regular tech did the test with me and the warranty manager watching. Pictures were taken. I agreed to go into the next column test range soley based on the fact the 15mm low fails in the next already. Otherwise I would have left the car how it sat till he comes in on friday....

So as of right now I got another 600 or so miles to hit the 2000 mark and take it in for the second measurement. As it sits right after the test I failed the first to columns and didnt reach the milage even needed. I told them I will check the stick every morning till I complete the next 600 miles, but if the oil reaches the lower hump on the stick I will be bringing it in early so as not to damage the motor. They all agreed to that and admitted it has already failed the second column they just wanted to makes sure all managers of the warranty claim, both the warranty manager and service manager are witness to the failure.

It is the first the warranty manager has dealt with in the 4 years she has been there. The service manager when I got the chance to talk with him a bit about it when I got the initial oil change to start the test, said he has dealt with 3-4 of them, all no longer had oil issues after the small block replacement.

The other mater tech, younger guy maybe mid twenties and could tell was a car guy, agreed with the service manager in the fact they have both read about the oil issue and was informed by nissan that it is predominately happening in the 6spds and it is because when doing hard down shifts it creates a very strong vacume and generates alot of blow by. Same issue in the 350's.

A814Z 09-06-2012 02:35 AM
My 2011 6MT just passed 5000 miles, its been put on 1500miles since last oil change. and the oil level is down to the middle of the dip stick which means 15mm oil gone.
also, the rpm in neutral is always at 550-600 after warm up.
Does anyone has the same issue?

cheshirecat 09-06-2012 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by A814Z (Post 1903929)
My 2011 6MT just passed 5000 miles, its been put on 1500miles since last oil change. and the oil level is down to the middle of the dip stick which means 15mm oil gone.
also, the rpm in neutral is always at 550-600 after warm up.
Does anyone has the same issue?
Your engine will consume oil during the initial break-in. While the "official" break-in numbers are under 2k miles, it's very common for the VQ35/37 to consume a bit of oil up to 7500 miles or so.

I wouldn't worry about it for now. Keep an eye on it. If it's still consuming past 10k, check the chart on the TSB to see if it's at an "acceptable" range or not.

The idle level should be right around 600/650 if the AC is off. As long as you don't notice any bogging or stuttering, I wouldn't worry about it.

red6spd 09-06-2012 09:06 AM
Does the chances of Nissan replacing your motor due to consumption go away once your warranty is up?

Cmike2780 09-06-2012 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1904100)
Does the chances of Nissan replacing your motor due to consumption go away once your warranty is up?
The drivetrain warranty is 5 years/60,000 miles. If it's a recall, Nissan covers it, but not TSB's.

cheshirecat 09-06-2012 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1904100)
Does the chances of Nissan replacing your motor due to consumption go away once your warranty is up?
Like CMike mentioned, the TSB is just a Technical Service Bulletin meant to instruct service techs and dealers how to deal with a problem identified on certain makes and models of vehicles.

It's not a recall- the dealership is not required to service your vehicle beyond the stated warranty regardless of whether or not a TSB has been issued, unfortunately.

GaleForce 09-06-2012 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1904288)
The drivetrain warranty is 5 years/60,000 miles. If it's a recall, Nissan covers it, but not TSB's.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 1904298)
Like CMike mentioned, the TSB is just a Technical Service Bulletin meant to instruct service techs and dealers how to deal with a problem identified on certain makes and models of vehicles.

It's not a recall- the dealership is not required to service your vehicle beyond the stated warranty regardless of whether or not a TSB has been issued, unfortunately.
So to be clear, Nissan is on the hook for the Oil Consumtion TBS during/until the 5 year/60000 mile warranty expires?

cheshirecat 09-06-2012 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 1904311)
So to be clear, Nissan is on the hook for the Oil Consumtion TBS during/until the 5 year/60000 mile warranty expires?
Nissan is on the hook for any kind of issue with your engine and transmission (excluding wear and tear items like the clutch) until 5 years/60k miles.

This includes oil consumption. The TSB is just an instruction manual for dealers that is supplied by corporate to help them through the process.

The existence of a TSB doesn't effect your warranty either way. It only helps in the way that Nissan has acknowledged that there is a problem common enough that dealers should be aware of the proper procedures to follow in the event of service visit by the owner that pertains to the problem in question.



.. rather than type all of that, I guess I could have just said "yes"

GaleForce 09-06-2012 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 1904827)
Nissan is on the hook for any kind of issue with your engine and transmission (excluding wear and tear items like the clutch) until 5 years/60k miles.

This includes oil consumption. The TSB is just an instruction manual for dealers that is supplied by corporate to help them through the process.

The existence of a TSB doesn't effect your warranty either way. It only helps in the way that Nissan has acknowledged that there is a problem common enough that dealers should be aware of the proper procedures to follow in the event of service visit by the owner that pertains to the problem in question.



.. rather than type all of that, I guess I could have just said "yes"
Thanks. I do appreciate you going above and beyond "yes" :tup:

I spoke with my local dealer today. I'm scheduled to start the testing procedure tomorrow. My oil has gone from high to low in approximately 3000 miles. I currently have 10000 miles on the car.

Jsolo 09-06-2012 04:32 PM
I'm actually pretty impressed by the oil consumption on my '12. It's now been just shy of 3200 miles since I last changed the oil (1290 miles, now 4485 miles). Prepping for a long trip, the oil level was down about 6-7mm from the full mark. Quite acceptable IMO. I topped it off to within 2mm of full. The trip is slightly over 1K miles, so we'll see where it's at when I return.

memorylasts 09-06-2012 04:46 PM
Ive already had a new block put in... due to OC...wounder if there will be another in my future....

GaleForce 09-06-2012 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by memorylasts (Post 1904922)
Ive already had a new block put in... due to OC...wounder if there will be another in my future....
In the same car? :icon14:

memorylasts 09-06-2012 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 1904983)
In the same car? :icon14:
Same Z motor #2 current. motor #2 is about 7k and 10 months old.and it is consuming somewhere.

GaleForce 09-06-2012 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by memorylasts (Post 1905106)
Same Z motor #2 current. motor #2 is about 7k and 10 months old.and it is consuming somewhere.
Oh man that sucks.

Japanjay 09-07-2012 01:14 AM
Mine is going on the third....

Japanjay 09-21-2012 12:25 AM
Got the call today via voice mail that the dealership got the new motor in and all the stuff to do the install. Not sure if they ended up getting a long block like they were pushing for due to ease of install or got the short block like the TSB calls for. Will see tomorrrow.

Japanjay 09-25-2012 12:48 AM
Nissan North America approved for a short block with the option if the dealer sees the need to for a full long block, plus a vehicle to drive in the mean time. Even the dealer was pleasently suprised on how NNA was dealing with it. No questions asked. Took the test and pictures for what it was and said here are the parts without even argueing it. I think the dealer is still going to go the long block route. I know they really didnt want to tear the motor apart to do a short block install. To much could go wrong for the dealer. Easier to get a long block and plug and play. Less of a failure rate. I am happy to say the least that this was that easy. Also found out the dealer is mod friendly, as long as there is no FI, over sized fuel system, or tinkering with the tranny. Headers back, tunning, and also intakes are all OK with them.

Car goes in for heart surgery monday. Tomorrow I am going to give it 2 dyno pulls to get a base line for the new motor once the break in period is finished. Plus to test out the ole' cars gain a few ponies after the 20k mile mark. Proper time for everything to get worn in and smooth out.

Gonna see if they will let me get one of their 2013 Z's for the loaner. Doubt they will, but I will mention I am in the market and what better way to test drive one.

A-Train 10-16-2012 03:01 PM
What up yo?
 
Hey Jay, I'm fairly local to you. Bought my car from Puyallup Nissan as a matter of fact.

I've added 2 full quarts of oil to my car in the first 7,000 miles or so. After my second oil change, I noticed that I had consumed a full quart of oil in approximately 1,000 miles. Should I be concerned? I understand that the rule-of-thumb is one quart consumed per 1,000, but a half quart per thousand appears to be excessive...

cheshirecat 10-16-2012 04:25 PM
Half a quart per 1k miles is still excessive once you're past the initial break-in.

Keep an eye on it.

Nu2Nizmo's 11-04-2012 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Japanjay (Post 1925591)
Got the call today via voice mail that the dealership got the new motor in and all the stuff to do the install. Not sure if they ended up getting a long block like they were pushing for due to ease of install or got the short block like the TSB calls for. Will see tomorrrow.

Just purchase my Nismo 3 weeks ago and oil was in the half mark of cross hatch. Saw the Tsb and check my oil and barely register on the dipstick. I've gone about 500 miles since I bought it.
Takin it in to the same dealer you are.
Thanx for the info. nice to see that a dealer will look past ur Bolton mods.
Which service advisor were u dealing with?
Hope my transaction goes as smooth.

Japanjay 11-05-2012 12:03 AM
Deanne I believe.

cheshirecat 11-05-2012 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Nu2Nizmo's (Post 1998846)
Just purchase my Nismo 3 weeks ago and oil was in the half mark of cross hatch. Saw the Tsb and check my oil and barely register on the dipstick. I've gone about 500 miles since I bought it.
Takin it in to the same dealer you are.
Thanx for the info. nice to see that a dealer will look past ur Bolton mods.
Which service advisor were u dealing with?
Hope my transaction goes as smooth.
The engine will consume oil during break-in. If your car new, I would suggest waiting until the initial break in period is over before taking it to the dealership. (If it were me I wouldn't worry until approx 4-5k miles+)

Japanjay 11-06-2012 12:56 AM
His is an 09 nismo from his signature. I doubt it is new....

Nu2Nizmo's 11-06-2012 06:46 AM
Yeah I have 25k miles on it. Kinda worries me that the car will never feel the same if they have to replace the shortblock.
Thx Jay for the info..

cheshirecat 11-06-2012 10:19 AM
ah, gotcha. Thought it was new. nevermind

jrgsales 11-06-2012 02:41 PM
Low oil / excessive engine noise
 
I own a 2009 370z nismo and I have read the low engine oil TSB, still not sure about my vin. Can anyone tell me if my VIN #JN1AZ44E79M409595 is included or not. I can't say that it is or is not using oil, due to very low mileage. It does seem to have a lot of engine noise. Thanks for the help.

Nu2Nizmo's 11-06-2012 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jrgsales (Post 2003646)
I own a 2009 370z nismo and I have read the low engine oil TSB, still not sure about my vin. Can anyone tell me if my VIN #JN1AZ44E79M409595 is included or not. I can't say that it is or is not using oil, due to very low mileage. It does seem to have a lot of engine noise. Thanks for the help.
It doesnt matter by your vin #. It matters on the production/date of first use.
Also most importantly your mileage. If youre under 60k miles than your good. If over than youre screwed...:shakes head:

Japanjay 11-07-2012 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nu2Nizmo's (Post 2004232)
It doesnt matter by your vin #. It matters on the production/date of first use.
Also most importantly your mileage. If youre under 60k miles than your good. If over than youre screwed...:shakes head:
Yup.

Quote:
Yeah I have 25k miles on it. Kinda worries me that the car will never feel the same if they have to replace the shortblock.
Thx Jay for the info..
For me everything actually felt smoother. Got a trans oil changed to. Even felt like it a little more power. Which is possible since the compression is comprised by the oil ring failure.

Nu2Nizmo's 11-07-2012 08:04 AM
I went in for my oil change and they started the oil consumption test. Per the Tsb. Im to return in a 1000 miles and have them recheck the level. They made me do an Esther oil change and it cost $140 out the door. (Ouch!)

Glad to see ur engine is running smooth Jay.
I have a few questions for you though.
How many miles on the car?
Did u ever get the engine lights checked out?
Did u inspect the engine when u got it back and make sure all the plugs,brackets,connectors, etc... Was in the factory spot?
It's such a big job that I'm nervous that ill get a tech and he does a hack job.
If yours look good. Let me know so I can request that same tech since he's already familiar with the process . Thanx in advanced!


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